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This gets thorny when you delve into the metaethics. Basically, why is murder considered immoral and should be punished (or at least addressed)? Well, is aborti

This gets thorny when you delve into the metaethics. Basically, why is murder considered immoral and should be punished (or at least addressed)? Well, is abortion murder? If it is, then opposing abortions is the right thing to do. Personally, I'm leaning towards supporting , but I'm struggling to develop a reasonable moral framework. I do think a society should be founded on a minimal, solid foundation so as to curb the moral relativism. I don't want to be tasked with answering "what kinds of abortion are allowed in your ideal society" anytime soon. I can't speak for everyone. If you feel that abortion is a fundamental right, then go stand up for it. (Of course, you are doing that.) But who can say that their list of rights is right?

Georgelemental 3y ago
> Well, is abortion murder? If it is, then opposing abortions is the right thing to do. Personally, I'm leaning towards supporting , but I'm struggling to develop a reasonable moral framework. I wasn't always strongly pro-life. I used to vaguely hold the standard European position (allowed up to 12-15 weeks with exceptions). What "radicalized" me, was the most cliché thing imaginable: photographs of abortion victims, from a clinic in my metropolitan area. My memory of past events in my personal life is generally quite hazy. But the instant things "clicked" for me on this issue, is clearly fixed. The images in question can be found here (WARNING VERY GRAPHIC): https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-attempted-abortions/ https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-at...
- vacuity 3y ago
  You weren't wrong with the "GRAPHIC" warning. Abortion clinics should find better ways of carrying out abortions, to ensure minimal pain and, if possible, the gruesomeness. I'm not persuaded towards pro-life by the images, though. If abortions are considered morally permissible and the techniques are reasonably considerate of the fetus, I would be failing my own moral responsibility by letting images deter me. I mostly borrow Don Marquis' notion that killing an adult human is often murder because the adult had a "valuable future" (not necessarily valued by the person themselves). A fetus also has such a future, as opposed to, say, a sperm cell. Roughly, I say this is because a fetus denotes an entity of a well-defined process of continued life (development, birth, further growth). In fact, I think all morals and whatnot are ultimately based on prohibiting the bad, no good, negative stuff that people do to each other. In other words, to ensure everyone has a reasonably "good life". Although a fetus therefore has moral consideration, though not necessarily a "person" in the moral sense, a full evaluation of abortion must also include an account of the woman's moral consideration. I'm still trying to determine where to draw the line.

Georgelemental 3y ago

> Well, is abortion murder? If it is, then opposing abortions is the right thing to do. Personally, I'm leaning towards supporting , but I'm struggling to develop a reasonable moral framework. I wasn't always strongly pro-life. I used to vaguely hold the standard European position (allowed up to 12-15 weeks with exceptions). What "radicalized" me, was the most cliché thing imaginable: photographs of abortion victims, from a clinic in my metropolitan area. My memory of past events in my personal life is generally quite hazy. But the instant things "clicked" for me on this issue, is clearly fixed. The images in question can be found here (WARNING VERY GRAPHIC): https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-attempted-abortions/ https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-at...

vacuity 3y ago
You weren't wrong with the "GRAPHIC" warning. Abortion clinics should find better ways of carrying out abortions, to ensure minimal pain and, if possible, the gruesomeness. I'm not persuaded towards pro-life by the images, though. If abortions are considered morally permissible and the techniques are reasonably considerate of the fetus, I would be failing my own moral responsibility by letting images deter me. I mostly borrow Don Marquis' notion that killing an adult human is often murder because the adult had a "valuable future" (not necessarily valued by the person themselves). A fetus also has such a future, as opposed to, say, a sperm cell. Roughly, I say this is because a fetus denotes an entity of a well-defined process of continued life (development, birth, further growth). In fact, I think all morals and whatnot are ultimately based on prohibiting the bad, no good, negative stuff that people do to each other. In other words, to ensure everyone has a reasonably "good life". Although a fetus therefore has moral consideration, though not necessarily a "person" in the moral sense, a full evaluation of abortion must also include an account of the woman's moral consideration. I'm still trying to determine where to draw the line.