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It's arguable that the "open web" will exist for as long as Linux and KHTML exists. There will always be agnostic choices available, even if people choose outda

It's arguable that the "open web" will exist for as long as Linux and KHTML exists. There will always be agnostic choices available, even if people choose outdated, locked-down or underdeveloped devices. Unlike the situation with AdSense, I'd argue it's really hard to identify any potential harm in this scenario. Multiple companies (Apple included) have also built their own remote attestation services, and nobody cried bloody murder then. If you think this is bad, then I regret to inform you that your war is probably lost. Maybe give GrapheneOS or Lineage a try?

zlg_codes 3y ago
> If you think this is bad, then I regret to inform you that your war is probably lost. There's an awful lot of gust in that sail, and yet no wind... Got anything to back it up or are we just being a corporate sycophant?
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
I am literally typing this on a LineageOS device; I don't see how that helps, if anything it just highlights the problem. The problem is that WEI, in any form, is most likely to be used in a way that results in websites blocking my device because I'm running my own operating system. And I'm pretty sure people did in fact cry bloody murder when Apple started doing it, but at least Apple was small enough percentage of the overall web browser share that nobody was going to try and mandate a feature that only they supported, unlike Chrome. Edit: In short, the open web relies on being able to run any client you want; having KHTML doesn't do any good if sites block it.
danShumway 3y ago
> Multiple companies (Apple included) have also built their own remote attestation services, and nobody cried bloody murder then. HN, at the time, crying bloody murder about Apple's attestation system: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31751203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31751203 This argument keeps getting brought out about Google, but in reality people are critical of iOS and Apple all the time. Yes, it is harder to get widespread reactions from people who are disengaged from web standards because Apple doesn't have Google's reputation. Yes, people tend to be more worried about Chrome than Safari in part because Safari is sitting at 20% market share. But people do (and did) criticize Safari. It's not separate standards; if you pay attention to the people who are most engaged on these issues, Apple's DRM systems get criticism.

zlg_codes 3y ago

> If you think this is bad, then I regret to inform you that your war is probably lost. There's an awful lot of gust in that sail, and yet no wind... Got anything to back it up or are we just being a corporate sycophant?

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

I am literally typing this on a LineageOS device; I don't see how that helps, if anything it just highlights the problem. The problem is that WEI, in any form, is most likely to be used in a way that results in websites blocking my device because I'm running my own operating system. And I'm pretty sure people did in fact cry bloody murder when Apple started doing it, but at least Apple was small enough percentage of the overall web browser share that nobody was going to try and mandate a feature that only they supported, unlike Chrome. Edit: In short, the open web relies on being able to run any client you want; having KHTML doesn't do any good if sites block it.

danShumway 3y ago

> Multiple companies (Apple included) have also built their own remote attestation services, and nobody cried bloody murder then. HN, at the time, crying bloody murder about Apple's attestation system: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31751203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31751203 This argument keeps getting brought out about Google, but in reality people are critical of iOS and Apple all the time. Yes, it is harder to get widespread reactions from people who are disengaged from web standards because Apple doesn't have Google's reputation. Yes, people tend to be more worried about Chrome than Safari in part because Safari is sitting at 20% market share. But people do (and did) criticize Safari. It's not separate standards; if you pay attention to the people who are most engaged on these issues, Apple's DRM systems get criticism.