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We are a few wars in the Middle East and a wet bulb event or two away from this type of argument falling into the “get a horse” bin.

paul7986 3y ago
Why are EV sales down and Ford is moving /embracing hydrogen. Those are data market points not just my own opinion. I drive everywhere and frequently some in remote areas where there's no chargers but there's a gas station. Not a kool aid drinker rather someone pragmatic and usually on the money with my forward thoughts I.e. look at my comments from the past two months against Cruise robot cars ...frat bros trying to kill it and doing anything to do so ..reminded me of Ubers attempt at self driving n we all see what happened with them and now Cruise.
- rcxdude 3y ago
  Are EV sales down? Just about everything I can find is saying they are going up. And ford has a small trial of hydrogen vans which doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near the investment of their battery EVs.
  - paul7986 3y ago
    "And yet, electric vehicles are piling up at dealership lots." November 1st 2023 ... other article is from April. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/01/why-dealers-say-ev-sales-have-slowed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/01/why-dealers-say-ev-sales-hav... A entire youtube CNBC piece on this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlsZwcIgpc&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlsZwcIgpc&t=10s But i can always go and check at various Telsa dealers as the media spins its own narrative ... Musk is now labeled pro-right. CNBC is more left ... not a fan of the news .. what to believe except EVs aren't for me as I drive frequently and many times in remote places.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
      That doesn't mean sales are down, it just means that they're being built faster than they're sold. Car manufacturers are already adjusting their build plans.
      - paul7986 3y ago
        Auto execs are coming clean:EVs aren't working https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean...
        rcxdude 3y ago
        Again, basically evidence that sales aren't growing as quickly as thought, they still aren't down.
        paul7986 3y ago
        just watch they are flat now and sales will decline and for the following reasons... - Musk allienated a portion of his customer base by jumping indirectly into the horse poo that is politics - Musk hates remote work because his customers are no longer commuters. Now a lot are remote work travelers and EV sucks for long road trips (time it takes to fill it at a charger & lack of comparably infrastructure to gas cars) especially in remote areas. - Musk only can sell his cars to upper middle class and to the rich ... apartment complexes do not have EV chargers. Funny reading all the upper middle class and rich folks trying to beat their drum and excitement for their EV and how they charge it at home. Ok that's cool but the average person is more of the population then you and they surely arent buying Telsas. - As you can see other car manufacturers are not having the same success with EVs that Telsa HAS HAD and now Telsa isnt anymore and for the noted reasons above. Im pretty forward thinking in what I say here (gets downvoted a ton) but my record of my forward thinking 7 out of 10 or more (most recently pointing out Cruise is no bueno months before they came clean noting the same thing; taking their robot training wheel cars off the road unfortunately after mangling an innocent pedetersian ) is on the money (intuition). No arrogance meant just my intuition is more right then not.
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- recursive 3y ago
  Might want to check who is paying for the news sources you're looking at. EV sales are up double digit percentages annually for several years. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/electric-car-sales-2016-2023 https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/electric-car-...

paul7986 3y ago

Why are EV sales down and Ford is moving /embracing hydrogen. Those are data market points not just my own opinion. I drive everywhere and frequently some in remote areas where there's no chargers but there's a gas station. Not a kool aid drinker rather someone pragmatic and usually on the money with my forward thoughts I.e. look at my comments from the past two months against Cruise robot cars ...frat bros trying to kill it and doing anything to do so ..reminded me of Ubers attempt at self driving n we all see what happened with them and now Cruise.

rcxdude 3y ago
Are EV sales down? Just about everything I can find is saying they are going up. And ford has a small trial of hydrogen vans which doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near the investment of their battery EVs.
- paul7986 3y ago
  "And yet, electric vehicles are piling up at dealership lots." November 1st 2023 ... other article is from April. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/01/why-dealers-say-ev-sales-have-slowed.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/01/why-dealers-say-ev-sales-hav... A entire youtube CNBC piece on this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlsZwcIgpc&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlsZwcIgpc&t=10s But i can always go and check at various Telsa dealers as the media spins its own narrative ... Musk is now labeled pro-right. CNBC is more left ... not a fan of the news .. what to believe except EVs aren't for me as I drive frequently and many times in remote places.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
    That doesn't mean sales are down, it just means that they're being built faster than they're sold. Car manufacturers are already adjusting their build plans.
    - paul7986 3y ago
      Auto execs are coming clean:EVs aren't working https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean...
      - rcxdude 3y ago
        Again, basically evidence that sales aren't growing as quickly as thought, they still aren't down.
        paul7986 3y ago
        just watch they are flat now and sales will decline and for the following reasons... - Musk allienated a portion of his customer base by jumping indirectly into the horse poo that is politics - Musk hates remote work because his customers are no longer commuters. Now a lot are remote work travelers and EV sucks for long road trips (time it takes to fill it at a charger & lack of comparably infrastructure to gas cars) especially in remote areas. - Musk only can sell his cars to upper middle class and to the rich ... apartment complexes do not have EV chargers. Funny reading all the upper middle class and rich folks trying to beat their drum and excitement for their EV and how they charge it at home. Ok that's cool but the average person is more of the population then you and they surely arent buying Telsas. - As you can see other car manufacturers are not having the same success with EVs that Telsa HAS HAD and now Telsa isnt anymore and for the noted reasons above. Im pretty forward thinking in what I say here (gets downvoted a ton) but my record of my forward thinking 7 out of 10 or more (most recently pointing out Cruise is no bueno months before they came clean noting the same thing; taking their robot training wheel cars off the road unfortunately after mangling an innocent pedetersian ) is on the money (intuition). No arrogance meant just my intuition is more right then not.
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recursive 3y ago
Might want to check who is paying for the news sources you're looking at. EV sales are up double digit percentages annually for several years. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/electric-car-sales-2016-2023 https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/electric-car-...