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Uh ive driven over 300k miles in evs in the last 10 years. Goodbye gas stations, what are those. Driven many 300+ mile trips, several cross country. Whats not
by yobid20 3y ago
Uh ive driven over 300k miles in evs in the last 10 years. Goodbye gas stations, what are those. Driven many 300+ mile trips, several cross country. Whats not working?? Whenever i see articles like this i just think the writers are ev haters or far right fanatics who have never tried an ev before. Ev's are cheaper than gas cars now, even their msrp and we're not even talking about gas savings yet. Farrrrr cheaper to drive an ev.
- chung8123 3y agoI think they are saying the financials aren't working. The cars are sitting on the lot and not selling.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 3y agoCough. Tesla. Cough.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago61% of EVs in the US are Teslas but everyone here hates Elon so head in the sand. Legacy auto EVs are garbage. They ignored Tesla for almost 15 years, and then once Tesla was Goliath, surprise pikachu. The time to build battery factories was when Tesla was building battery factories circa 2014-2015. The fact that Tesla predicted selling 500k EVs a year by 2020 was laughed at, and now they are approaching 2.3M/year total capacity of EVs alone (while still building 40GWh/year of stationary storage). Good luck. https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/gigafactory.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/g... (yes, yes, I agree Elon is a monster, but he has also been effective)
- avgDev 3y agoI rented a Model Y for a weekend, now that is garbage. I went to a showroom I looked at Teslas. I could not find a single car with even panels gaps. The wipers don't work. The car doesn't have USS anymore and Tesla vision sucks. I could go on and on and on. I seriously considered one but just too many shortcomings. For the price of Model Y, I can buy a Lexus ES300h(car is QC and build perfection) and drive that car for the next 15 years with oil changes once a year.
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- _aavaa_ 3y ago> I could not find a single car with even panels gaps. I keep hearing this from people, especially my friends who work for other manufacturers. I personally couldn't care less. Hell, if they sold it pre-scratched and pre-dented It'd be even better, would same me the paranoia of something happening to it.
- codeTired 3y agoI’m going to blow your mind right now. They sell pre-dented and pre-scratched cars! Have you ever heard of the used car market? And the prices reflect that! Why would anyone pay new car prices for a damaged car? It has lower resale value.
- _aavaa_ 3y agoExcept there's massive difference between a car with an imperfect appearance, and once that's been driven before and e.g. no longer covered by warranty. > Why would anyone pay new car prices for a damaged car? A) I didn't say it had to be the same price. Sell the car with a bumper blemish and give people a discount to account for the fact that you didn't have to reject parts. B) People might buy it for the same reason that others gent bent out of shape about panel gaps; personal differences in what they value.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoWhy does everyone suddenly care about panel gaps? It feels like the quip everyone uses without any meaningful value.
- toast0 3y agoIf they don't put the car together well for the parts you see, how well did they put it together for the parts you don't see? Do panel gaps really matter? Probably not, but if I'm paying Tesla prices, maybe?
- datavirtue 3y agoTesla just steeply discounted the hell out of their cars. The minimum discount I can recall was $10k. Several cars were dropped by over $30k. They basically just fucked the resale value of all their existing customers. This was done out of desperation. EV demand fell off a cliff after the pandemic.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoGood! This increases the pool of potential buyers while putting more distress on legacy auto. Tesla can afford the margin compression. If they are less profitable, that’s fine, replacing combustion units is most important to pull forward the combustion supply chain death spiral. Tesla does not owe current customers firm resale value.
- anon291 3y ago> (yes, yes, I agree Elon is a monster, but he has also been effective) How is the man that has actually made a huge difference in battery-powered cars and actually made them seem like a viable alternative to gas a 'monster'. And yet the dozens of environmentalist activists who have done nothing but make a fuss and complain seen as the good guys. This sort of praise of mediocrity and ineffectiveness is the root cause of so many issues today. Musk has been extremely effective. Maybe that means there is something about his thinking and methods of action that we should seek to replicate instead of criticize.
- porknubbins 3y agoElon has many issues but a characterizing him as a “monster”? Sounds like an affirmation of someone whose heart isn’t really in what they are saying but they have to to toe the party line.
- dboreham 3y agoI've heard him described as "fascist curious".
- junofan 3y agoHe’s a sorta autistic dude who sometimes talks to the public in a k-hole instead of going through a spokesperson like his peers. As far as the cars go, I think most Americans can see that spending an extra $10k on an EV Chevy isn’t gonna keep the Saudis from draining Ghawar Field. I wonder how cheap BYD and VinFast can get their imports.
- nicoburns 3y agoAmericans can’t really point to other country’s emissions as an excuse though. They have by far the largest emissions per capita. And car ownership (where families frequently own multiple cars!) is a non-trivial portion of that. Individuals are admittedly not the best placed to fix this.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoIt’s shorthand for “low empathy power hungry industrialist who is willing to destroy anyone who sleights him in the most minimal of ways, while dishing out abuse liberally to anyone who crosses his path” but that’s a mouthful. The dynamics are public in both books and online media covering him; a fresh, recent example is Grimes tweeting at his recent biographer “Tell Elon I want to see my kid.” Partners, workers, anyone really who Elon feels he has power over gets the brunt of his dysfunctional emotional configuration. Could not care less about his politics, it is about how he treats other humans. https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+abussive https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+abussive https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+petty https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+petty https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-book-empathy-video-games-life-lessons-management/ https://fortune.com/2023/09/12/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-boo... ("One of Elon Musk’s favorite video games taught him the ‘life lesson’ that ‘empathy is not an asset.’") https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/15/tesla-asked-cooley-to-fire-lawyer-who-worked-on-sec-elon-musk-probe.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/15/tesla-asked-cooley-to-fire-l... ("Tesla asked law firm to fire attorney who worked on Elon Musk probe at SEC, report says") https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/10/04/making-sense-of-grimes-cryptic-child-custody-claims-against-elon-musk/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/10/04/making-sense-of-grime... ("Grimes sues Elon Musk after she said he wouldn’t let her see their son") > Indeed, reports and Grimes’ since-deleted social media posts indicate that the situation has become rather ugly, with allegations that Musk is being a controlling bully. In posts last month on Musk’s X platform, Grimes alleged that he wasn’t allowing her to see one of their children and threatened to take him to court unless he let her see her son or responded to her lawyer. She said the situation was “utterly ripping my family apart.” I’ll ask one of the folks tracking Elon facts publicly to aggregate all of the citations on the topic, so the next time I say “monster” a simple URL citation will do. As a high empathy human, I fully stand behind my characterization based on all available public evidence. Hurt people hurt people I suppose.
- pm90 3y agoFrom what people that work at Tesla have told me, Elon is more of a chaos agent than someone actually solving problems.
- momirlan 3y agochaos is what you need to cause a disruption. that's how big ideas come, and there's no one better than Elon at turning them into reality.
- Libcat99 3y agoToyota is out here running ads "you should probably skip our electrics and buy a hybrid" so I'm not shocked they're having trouble selling. Good EVs sell.
- bdcravens 3y agoI love mine, but both mine and my wife's are probably $15k pricier than an equivalent ICE option. We'll likely not break even on gas savings during the period of our ownership. People like she and I, and I suspect you, are already bought in. Others however, especially those who aren't really swayed by the saved emissions, have to do the cost/benefit analysis for themselves.
- kurthr 3y agoYeah, if there hadn't been unlimited supercharging it wouldn't have made as much sense, but I figure I'd have used 500gal a year (15km/30mpg). That's about $2500/yr so pay off time is about 6-8 years. If you're paying 20c/kWh then it's well over 10 years. However, the other experience I've seen is the near lack of required paid maintenance. That could easily come out to another $10k over 8-10yr, which would shorten the payoff. Of course that would hurt the dealers for the major Autos, and drive up their pricing.
- bdcravens 3y agoYes, the maintenance is cheaper, but some automakers include maintenance for a period of time (I know the Toyotas I've owned included 2 years 24000 miles). I will say that $10k over 10 years seems expensive, though maintenance does tend to rise in time. Still, I'm guessing the cost is closer to $5k (assuming non-luxury brands)
- 01100011 3y agoI really liked my EV, but I had subsidized charging at work. We only have one ICE car now. Every so often I consider upgrading to an EV or hybrid, but why? I'd be spending quite a lot to save very little. Now, I'll admit, getting gas at someplace like Costco can be a pain, but I just can't justify an EV. Also, my wife hated the EV. Sure, it was a Bolt so it wasn't that comfy, but she hated having to think about charging. She's fine dealing with gas. That right there kills it for us.
- maigret 3y agoYou’re only “saving” with an ICE because CO2 is not appropriately priced. And there are other reasons to ditch petrol, like, what about our children future? Limiting the discussion to price is a limited way of thinking.
- evandijk70 3y agoIf you drive 30k miles a year, yes. I drive 4k miles a year with a car that I bought second-hand 10 years ago for $8,000. EVs are not cheaper for that use case yet.