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Yeah it's not been a thing a google for at least a decade. When I went to work for them the onboarding did not have that phrase anywhere in any of the documents

by olliej 3y ago

Yeah it's not been a thing a google for at least a decade. When I went to work for them the onboarding did not have that phrase anywhere in any of the documents (onboarding, training, or orientation) - and I explicitly searched for it.

SquareWheel 3y ago
They didn't ask you to read the Code of Conduct? It's been in there from the beginning. https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/
- olliej 3y ago
  They were noticed publicly removing it in 2018 (which was reported on), so I'm guessing I came on during a period it was gone, and they have since re-added it.
  - jkaplowitz 3y ago
    Most of the public reporting was incorrect. The phrase never left the Google code of conduct, but it did move to a less prominent position, and the closest thing that has ever been in the code of conduct of the parent company Alphabet since its creation in 2015 is “Do the right thing”. “Less prominent position” does not mean “zero prominence”. A mention in the final sentence is not anywhere near as prominent as it was before the change, but that’s still more prominent than something like hiding it in the middle. Now, their adherence to the phrase has certainly decreased over time and was never perfect. That’s a separate matter. Disclosure: I used to work for Google, but not since before Alphabet was created (which was some years before this Google code of conduct change). I never had any involvement in the decisions over this motto or the changes to where it shows up, beyond of course trying my best to adhere to it in my own work.
  - SquareWheel 3y ago
    It's listed in both January 2018[1] and December 2018[2]. They moved it from the opening line to the closing line, but they did not remove it. https://web.archive.org/web/20180117100018/https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://web.archive.org/web/20180117100018/https://abc.xyz/i... https://web.archive.org/web/20181225060308/https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://web.archive.org/web/20181225060308/https://abc.xyz/i...
dilyevsky 3y ago
Nonsense. It’s been in the employee handbook (which you had to sign) and in the “10 things we know are true” for like 20 years
- olliej 3y ago
  I do not recall seeing it, and I do recall looking for it explicitly. Which means even if it were there - which given this was the era in which they were removing stuff like this in order to win pentagon contracts seems completely plausible - it was not considered important enough to highlight or to put at the forefront of employee information.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Except it isn't true and likely never was. Good PR though!
  - lokar 3y ago
    That is unfair. The engineer who suggested the phrase and the others around at the time were being honest. But organizations change as they grow.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Engineers don't set policy.
      - lokar 3y ago
        At the time they (Larry and Sergey) did.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        Yes, and look what happened. It's not as if they have disappeared, they handed the reins to a guy who walked all over that and got away with it. If they really cared they would have put a stop to that and the uncountable other privacy and tracking issues that Google has been up to over the years.

by olliej 3y ago

SquareWheel 3y ago

They didn't ask you to read the Code of Conduct? It's been in there from the beginning. https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/

olliej 3y ago
They were noticed publicly removing it in 2018 (which was reported on), so I'm guessing I came on during a period it was gone, and they have since re-added it.
- jkaplowitz 3y ago
  Most of the public reporting was incorrect. The phrase never left the Google code of conduct, but it did move to a less prominent position, and the closest thing that has ever been in the code of conduct of the parent company Alphabet since its creation in 2015 is “Do the right thing”. “Less prominent position” does not mean “zero prominence”. A mention in the final sentence is not anywhere near as prominent as it was before the change, but that’s still more prominent than something like hiding it in the middle. Now, their adherence to the phrase has certainly decreased over time and was never perfect. That’s a separate matter. Disclosure: I used to work for Google, but not since before Alphabet was created (which was some years before this Google code of conduct change). I never had any involvement in the decisions over this motto or the changes to where it shows up, beyond of course trying my best to adhere to it in my own work.
- SquareWheel 3y ago
  It's listed in both January 2018[1] and December 2018[2]. They moved it from the opening line to the closing line, but they did not remove it. https://web.archive.org/web/20180117100018/https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://web.archive.org/web/20180117100018/https://abc.xyz/i... https://web.archive.org/web/20181225060308/https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html https://web.archive.org/web/20181225060308/https://abc.xyz/i...

dilyevsky 3y ago

Nonsense. It’s been in the employee handbook (which you had to sign) and in the “10 things we know are true” for like 20 years

olliej 3y ago
I do not recall seeing it, and I do recall looking for it explicitly. Which means even if it were there - which given this was the era in which they were removing stuff like this in order to win pentagon contracts seems completely plausible - it was not considered important enough to highlight or to put at the forefront of employee information.
jacquesm 3y ago
Except it isn't true and likely never was. Good PR though!
- lokar 3y ago
  That is unfair. The engineer who suggested the phrase and the others around at the time were being honest. But organizations change as they grow.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Engineers don't set policy.
    - lokar 3y ago
      At the time they (Larry and Sergey) did.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        Yes, and look what happened. It's not as if they have disappeared, they handed the reins to a guy who walked all over that and got away with it. If they really cared they would have put a stop to that and the uncountable other privacy and tracking issues that Google has been up to over the years.