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Eventually, society is going to have to come around to the fact that this technology can't be legislated away. It's here to stay and it's only going to improve

by nvy 3y ago

Eventually, society is going to have to come around to the fact that this technology can't be legislated away. It's here to stay and it's only going to improve. I hope we get to a place where the automatic assumption upon seeing any digital image is that it's probably fake.

meheleventyone 3y ago
Or we can just recognise creating and distributing fake images of real people as the harassment that it is.
- nvy 3y ago
  Sure, and I agree that it's harassment, and reprehensible, but there will always be people who do it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.
  - meheleventyone 3y ago
    Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.
    - nvy 3y ago
      We can criminalize it, sure. I just doubt it will appreciably curb the behavior.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      We can criminalize adults for that. We're not supposed to criminalize children for acting inappropriately, we're supposed to teach/parent them. Either way, there should be no shrugging of shoulders and allowing harassment to go unaddressed.
      - meheleventyone 3y ago
        It’s not just acting inappropriately it’s hurting other people. We wouldn’t (well hopefully) excuse rape or murder in the same way. Children very much can commit heinous acts and should with appropriate investigation into what they understand of it be held accountable. These are also teens rather than children. A lot of places allow people in their teen years all sorts of rights like the legal ability to consent to sex. I’d suggest they can understand and be culpable for sexual harassment at that age.
        autoexec 3y ago
        > We wouldn’t (well hopefully) excuse rape or murder in the same way. If these kids had raped and murdered I'd agree that that's an issue teachers and parents need outside help to address, but that's not what we're talking about. > These are also teens rather than children. Teens are adolescent children and their undeveloped brains make them highly susceptible to making poor choices and failing to consider the consequences of their actions. This is the time of their lives when they're naturally going to do things that they shouldn't. There's a reason we don't lock schoolyard bullies up for theft when they steal someone's lunch money. We don't arrest them for doxing when they write a classmates name and phone number next to "for a good time call" on the bathroom stall. That's stupid kid shit that children have been doing for ages and the solution isn't prison, it's parenting, so that those kids can learn from their poor choices and become better people. Teens can be held accountable for their actions without involving law enforcement.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> society is going to have to come around to the fact that this technology can't be legislated away Neither can fraud or murder. Yet we still ban it. This concept that if a problem cannot be 100% solved by the law, it shouldn't be banned, is an umbrella for the insufferable.
- nvy 3y ago
  By all means ban it. I'm not suggesting that 100% is required. I'm suggesting that banning it won't really accomplish much because it's pretty hard to enforce what you can and can't generate on your own machine without trampling on people's civil rights.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    I don't think it matters what you generate on your own machine, but it does matter what you share with other people.

by nvy 3y ago

meheleventyone 3y ago

Or we can just recognise creating and distributing fake images of real people as the harassment that it is.

nvy 3y ago
Sure, and I agree that it's harassment, and reprehensible, but there will always be people who do it because there are a lot of shitty people out there.
- meheleventyone 3y ago
  Right so we can criminalise and tackle that. Rather than shrug our shoulders about it.
  - nvy 3y ago
    We can criminalize it, sure. I just doubt it will appreciably curb the behavior.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    We can criminalize adults for that. We're not supposed to criminalize children for acting inappropriately, we're supposed to teach/parent them. Either way, there should be no shrugging of shoulders and allowing harassment to go unaddressed.
    - meheleventyone 3y ago
      It’s not just acting inappropriately it’s hurting other people. We wouldn’t (well hopefully) excuse rape or murder in the same way. Children very much can commit heinous acts and should with appropriate investigation into what they understand of it be held accountable. These are also teens rather than children. A lot of places allow people in their teen years all sorts of rights like the legal ability to consent to sex. I’d suggest they can understand and be culpable for sexual harassment at that age.
      - autoexec 3y ago
        > We wouldn’t (well hopefully) excuse rape or murder in the same way. If these kids had raped and murdered I'd agree that that's an issue teachers and parents need outside help to address, but that's not what we're talking about. > These are also teens rather than children. Teens are adolescent children and their undeveloped brains make them highly susceptible to making poor choices and failing to consider the consequences of their actions. This is the time of their lives when they're naturally going to do things that they shouldn't. There's a reason we don't lock schoolyard bullies up for theft when they steal someone's lunch money. We don't arrest them for doxing when they write a classmates name and phone number next to "for a good time call" on the bathroom stall. That's stupid kid shit that children have been doing for ages and the solution isn't prison, it's parenting, so that those kids can learn from their poor choices and become better people. Teens can be held accountable for their actions without involving law enforcement.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> society is going to have to come around to the fact that this technology can't be legislated away Neither can fraud or murder. Yet we still ban it. This concept that if a problem cannot be 100% solved by the law, it shouldn't be banned, is an umbrella for the insufferable.

nvy 3y ago
By all means ban it. I'm not suggesting that 100% is required. I'm suggesting that banning it won't really accomplish much because it's pretty hard to enforce what you can and can't generate on your own machine without trampling on people's civil rights.
- mcphage 3y ago
  I don't think it matters what you generate on your own machine, but it does matter what you share with other people.