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There's something about getting 2-3 hours of sleep that makes me feel like I'm on top of the world throughout the day. I've always assumed it was a kind of wild

There's something about getting 2-3 hours of sleep that makes me feel like I'm on top of the world throughout the day. I've always assumed it was a kind of wild delirium.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
The sleep quality is super lossless and actually gainful when you compress it by allowing a slight sleep debt to accrue
- dgb23 3y ago
  Are you claiming that 2-3h of sleep is enough or healthy?
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    Why don't you try it and see? Some of my best sleeps were after a sleepless night and for only like 1-3 hours, caffeine or other stimulants in the blood be damned Edit: also make sure you have bright blue light during wakeup/morning/day and mellow non-overhead orangey/amber/yellow light (nothing east of yellow) at evening/night. Red 2 hours before bedtime for bonus "points"
    - LeafItAlone 3y ago
      My experience does not match up with yours here. Given work deadlines I have a lot of experience with full all-nighters and 1-3 hour nights.
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Can you comment on sleep hygiene and the stuff i mentioned about light? Do you sleep in complete darkness in a slightly cooler ambient setting and really get a lot of bright line first thing at waketime?
    - whateverman23 3y ago
      > Why don't you try it and see? I feel great after a few beers, but keeping that state is a very bad idea. "try it and see" is not a great idea when it comes to your brain.
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        I don't think you build up a "Beer Debt" that grows as it depletes like sleep and hunger. Cute wrong example but there's really nothing all that malevolent or irresponsible about the suggestion. Maybe keep it to the weekend (like don't start till Friday/Sat night) and obviously you need the set it up so you don't have to be places or hold meaningful convos although Im not going to rule them totally out
        whateverman23 3y ago
        > there's really nothing all that malevolent or irresponsible about the suggestion You are underestimating the impact of sleep deprivation, and the ability for a person to recognize the impacts while sleep deprived. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-020-09095-5 https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s... "It was concluded that sleep deprivation has a greater impact on driving performance than a BrAC of 22 μg/100mls of breath, as measured by driving simulation. Coffee is not an effective countermeasure for sleep deprived driving and drivers’ ability to judge this impairment is suggested to be limited."
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Can I ask how heavily everyone desire I pre-caveat the main lede here in order to get the discussion centered more on the idea itself and competing views on the extent to which folk's have found some usecase or success with it? Like, obviously if you're a pilot who needs to be able to thread needles and sew while you're able to still control the plane should maybe wait till they're relieved of duty for the weekend or some amount of time allowing the latitude to try this thing out but I feel like there's an amount of obtuseness and ridgidity on display here. Edit: also, Polyphasic is insane so anyone making a false equivalence here can simply stop. I'm referring to an occasional all-nighter for the joint purposes of resetting ones mental slate and also helping prime oneself for a better quality and faster easing-into the next sleep
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
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    - mrexroad 3y ago
      Not to be flippant, but that’s called sleep deprivation. I did this daily for 18-24mo straight, sleeping a 3h block early morning (~4:30-7:30) and a 27min nap aligned with my sleep/wake cycle during mid-afternoon. I did this without caffeine, stimulants, sugar, etc. After having more kids I couldn’t keep the daily consistency required and scaled back to 1-3x a week. I spent years convinced that it elevated my coding, insights, etc., and there was a degree of truth to it, as it did mitigate the worst of my ADHD. Then I got medicated and suddenly everything in the world that had always screamed for my attention 24/7 started quieting down a little. It took me another decade or two to break more of the coping mechanisms I’d developed in my late teens for ADHD and dyslexia. I could ramble down several tangents for paragraphs here, but I’ll just throw out my personal note that while there were clear cognitive benefits (note: I’m sidestepping the increasingly clear long term cognitive risks indicated in recent research), the muscular-skeletal costs we’re greater. As they say, adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Its def not a lifestyle, I don't feel like I made that super obvious. I'm talking about a once in a blue moon type deal where you need a hard reset. Sorta like how most people rarely turn off their phones, things get fucky with it eventually, and it needs a hard reset or reboot. Don't get too hung up on the metaphors, but I've experienced it working and I'm not exactly an n=1
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Its more like stochastic sleep deprivation without the randomness.
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Also: paragraphs ;)
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    There's also sometimes this very strange time dilation that occurs in this 2-3h sleep such that it "feels" much longer and almost impossibly drawn-out psychologically as opposed to the much smaller true anount of time it constitutes
joshspankit 3y ago
For a while there have been theories stating that monophasic sleep 8 hours a night is actually disordered sleep. Maybe that’s worth looking at again.
nick222226 3y ago
Sounds like I used to. Did it too many days in a row and had a full blown manic episode.

There's something about getting 2-3 hours of sleep that makes me feel like I'm on top of the world throughout the day. I've always assumed it was a kind of wild delirium.

Obscurity4340 3y ago

The sleep quality is super lossless and actually gainful when you compress it by allowing a slight sleep debt to accrue

dgb23 3y ago
Are you claiming that 2-3h of sleep is enough or healthy?
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Why don't you try it and see? Some of my best sleeps were after a sleepless night and for only like 1-3 hours, caffeine or other stimulants in the blood be damned Edit: also make sure you have bright blue light during wakeup/morning/day and mellow non-overhead orangey/amber/yellow light (nothing east of yellow) at evening/night. Red 2 hours before bedtime for bonus "points"
  - LeafItAlone 3y ago
    My experience does not match up with yours here. Given work deadlines I have a lot of experience with full all-nighters and 1-3 hour nights.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      Can you comment on sleep hygiene and the stuff i mentioned about light? Do you sleep in complete darkness in a slightly cooler ambient setting and really get a lot of bright line first thing at waketime?
  - whateverman23 3y ago
    > Why don't you try it and see? I feel great after a few beers, but keeping that state is a very bad idea. "try it and see" is not a great idea when it comes to your brain.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      I don't think you build up a "Beer Debt" that grows as it depletes like sleep and hunger. Cute wrong example but there's really nothing all that malevolent or irresponsible about the suggestion. Maybe keep it to the weekend (like don't start till Friday/Sat night) and obviously you need the set it up so you don't have to be places or hold meaningful convos although Im not going to rule them totally out
      - whateverman23 3y ago
        > there's really nothing all that malevolent or irresponsible about the suggestion You are underestimating the impact of sleep deprivation, and the ability for a person to recognize the impacts while sleep deprived. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-020-09095-5 https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s... "It was concluded that sleep deprivation has a greater impact on driving performance than a BrAC of 22 μg/100mls of breath, as measured by driving simulation. Coffee is not an effective countermeasure for sleep deprived driving and drivers’ ability to judge this impairment is suggested to be limited."
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Can I ask how heavily everyone desire I pre-caveat the main lede here in order to get the discussion centered more on the idea itself and competing views on the extent to which folk's have found some usecase or success with it? Like, obviously if you're a pilot who needs to be able to thread needles and sew while you're able to still control the plane should maybe wait till they're relieved of duty for the weekend or some amount of time allowing the latitude to try this thing out but I feel like there's an amount of obtuseness and ridgidity on display here. Edit: also, Polyphasic is insane so anyone making a false equivalence here can simply stop. I'm referring to an occasional all-nighter for the joint purposes of resetting ones mental slate and also helping prime oneself for a better quality and faster easing-into the next sleep
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    []
  - mrexroad 3y ago
    Not to be flippant, but that’s called sleep deprivation. I did this daily for 18-24mo straight, sleeping a 3h block early morning (~4:30-7:30) and a 27min nap aligned with my sleep/wake cycle during mid-afternoon. I did this without caffeine, stimulants, sugar, etc. After having more kids I couldn’t keep the daily consistency required and scaled back to 1-3x a week. I spent years convinced that it elevated my coding, insights, etc., and there was a degree of truth to it, as it did mitigate the worst of my ADHD. Then I got medicated and suddenly everything in the world that had always screamed for my attention 24/7 started quieting down a little. It took me another decade or two to break more of the coping mechanisms I’d developed in my late teens for ADHD and dyslexia. I could ramble down several tangents for paragraphs here, but I’ll just throw out my personal note that while there were clear cognitive benefits (note: I’m sidestepping the increasingly clear long term cognitive risks indicated in recent research), the muscular-skeletal costs we’re greater. As they say, adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      Its def not a lifestyle, I don't feel like I made that super obvious. I'm talking about a once in a blue moon type deal where you need a hard reset. Sorta like how most people rarely turn off their phones, things get fucky with it eventually, and it needs a hard reset or reboot. Don't get too hung up on the metaphors, but I've experienced it working and I'm not exactly an n=1
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Its more like stochastic sleep deprivation without the randomness.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      Also: paragraphs ;)
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  There's also sometimes this very strange time dilation that occurs in this 2-3h sleep such that it "feels" much longer and almost impossibly drawn-out psychologically as opposed to the much smaller true anount of time it constitutes

joshspankit 3y ago

For a while there have been theories stating that monophasic sleep 8 hours a night is actually disordered sleep. Maybe that’s worth looking at again.

nick222226 3y ago

Sounds like I used to. Did it too many days in a row and had a full blown manic episode.