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They exist on the center/center-left of things, but they tend to couch their BS in enough social justice language with enough deftness to stay hidden through an

by Kye 3y ago

They exist on the center/center-left of things, but they tend to couch their BS in enough social justice language with enough deftness to stay hidden through an entire career. Tend to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_King#Fundraising_activities_and_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_King#Fundraising_activit... Michael Moore can be insufferable, but I can't think of an instance where he was actually wrong. I think we need to make a distinction between showmanship and grifting. Many prominent assholes on the right are outright grifters. Prominent assholes on the left missed their chance to be a theater kid and make up for it every day.

hotnfresh 3y ago
Yeah, I'm not aware of Moore grifting the way a lot of right-wing media personalities do (but I'm also not exactly an expert on his biography and professional activity—I've just seen some of his work and some interviews he's given and such) but, while usually being on "his side", I found a fair amount of his method of argument shady enough that I would hesitate to recommend him to someone I wanted to convince. Though, yes, that's not the same thing as people who make their money from ad impressions on cherry-picked videos where they, grown-ass adults who've prepared their material much the way a stand-up comedian does, "own" unprepared liberal college freshmen, or make "documentaries" full of simply made-up shit and drum up word-of-mouth by getting shouted down at speaking gigs (they's silencing me!), or whatever. And my perception (which may be skewed!) is that there are a lot more of those sorts on the right than left. I seriously wonder if the partisan gap in responses to the poll has more to do with the left perceiving the right-wing media-personality/"intellectual" sphere as being infested with trolls, than with the issues themselves. Maybe not! But I think it's a real possibility.

by Kye 3y ago

hotnfresh 3y ago

Yeah, I'm not aware of Moore grifting the way a lot of right-wing media personalities do (but I'm also not exactly an expert on his biography and professional activity—I've just seen some of his work and some interviews he's given and such) but, while usually being on "his side", I found a fair amount of his method of argument shady enough that I would hesitate to recommend him to someone I wanted to convince. Though, yes, that's not the same thing as people who make their money from ad impressions on cherry-picked videos where they, grown-ass adults who've prepared their material much the way a stand-up comedian does, "own" unprepared liberal college freshmen, or make "documentaries" full of simply made-up shit and drum up word-of-mouth by getting shouted down at speaking gigs (they's silencing me!), or whatever. And my perception (which may be skewed!) is that there are a lot more of those sorts on the right than left. I seriously wonder if the partisan gap in responses to the poll has more to do with the left perceiving the right-wing media-personality/"intellectual" sphere as being infested with trolls, than with the issues themselves. Maybe not! But I think it's a real possibility.