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It'll be back, in another form. Pay no attention to specific projects and proposals that are offered and withdrawn. Look at the bigger picture over a longer ti

It'll be back, in another form. Pay no attention to specific projects and proposals that are offered and withdrawn. Look at the bigger picture over a longer time-frame and ask; what are the forces acting within and upon an entity? Meadows' leverage points taxonomy can be used analytically as well as instrumentally. What are the values behind misadventures like WEI ? Google want to own your browser and infiltrate as much of the client-side as they can. What other technical avenues and regulations can they make politically expedient use of? To fight this abuse don't attack proposals, projects, or even behaviours. Study and attack their core values. What are they really about?

mlyle 3y ago
Sometimes what you're describing is a valid approach-- once a pattern is clear. This is looking pretty reasonable for Google. But it seems like a bit of a toxic, pessimistic response in general. There's other times where a party just screws up. e.g. Apple's CSAM-- once the industry educated them, they took a very different tack. There was no fundamental structural or cultural issue pushing them towards the problematic choices.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > There's other times where a party just screws up. e.g. Apple's CSAM Did Apple really screw up? Their proposal is pretty much what the EU and UK governments want now :( I think they screwed up because to have my own phone spying on me is unthinkable and I would never have considered another Apple product again. But politics seem to like the idea.
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    Those governments are mostly coming around as to why that’s a bad idea.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      I don't think so, I think they're just regrouping to find another approach to push it through.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  > But it seems like a bit of a toxic, pessimistic response in general. I'm a twisted firestarter, but it's mostly out of a passionately optimistic and generous view of other human beings. Big corporations are not human beings. I think they fail humanity. They have too much power and no accountability. For that I think they deserve all the toxicity and pessimism fitting for what they are.

mlyle 3y ago

Sometimes what you're describing is a valid approach-- once a pattern is clear. This is looking pretty reasonable for Google. But it seems like a bit of a toxic, pessimistic response in general. There's other times where a party just screws up. e.g. Apple's CSAM-- once the industry educated them, they took a very different tack. There was no fundamental structural or cultural issue pushing them towards the problematic choices.

wkat4242 3y ago
> There's other times where a party just screws up. e.g. Apple's CSAM Did Apple really screw up? Their proposal is pretty much what the EU and UK governments want now :( I think they screwed up because to have my own phone spying on me is unthinkable and I would never have considered another Apple product again. But politics seem to like the idea.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Those governments are mostly coming around as to why that’s a bad idea.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    I don't think so, I think they're just regrouping to find another approach to push it through.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
> But it seems like a bit of a toxic, pessimistic response in general. I'm a twisted firestarter, but it's mostly out of a passionately optimistic and generous view of other human beings. Big corporations are not human beings. I think they fail humanity. They have too much power and no accountability. For that I think they deserve all the toxicity and pessimism fitting for what they are.