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Nate Silver is maybe not aware about the left's view on this. The left recognizes the Paradox of Tolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

by mempko 3y ago

Nate Silver is maybe not aware about the left's view on this. The left recognizes the Paradox of Tolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance I would argue this survey shows evidence of the opposite, that there is more support for free speech on the left. It's fairly clear that the right is not genuine about free speech because in reality it's the right that is actually banning books and access to information in the US right now, not the left. Basic principle of the Paradox of Tolerance is simple. If you let bigots talk, you will get more bigotry and in the end a less free society. The iron of the right talking against 'cancel culture' is that the decisions to actually not let people speak, or get people to lose their jobs are done by right-leaning people. Those that run the large institutions that are doing cancelling, like corporations, are run largely by right leaning, business minded, people. They wanted extreme private property rights, well that's how you get 'cancel culture'. Truly ironic that when businesses respond to markets (again run by right-minded folks), it's the right that is complaining today.

honkkong420 3y ago
Hardly, the left platforms anti-white bigots all the time. It's clear that censoring anti-White bigots would make it safer to be White in America, but the left won't lift a finger because it wants more dead white people.
- mempko 3y ago
  We found one folks.
waterheater 3y ago
>If you let bigots talk, you will get more bigotry and in the end a less free society. By definition, a bigot is "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" [1]. There are bigots on both the left and the right. No one is saying there aren't bigots on the right. What the survey is saying that the majority of the people obstinately devoted to their own opinions are on the left. For some reason, many people on the left become obstinate when anyone (even a self-identifying liberal) makes that observation. >They wanted extreme private property rights, well that's how you get 'cancel culture'. Nope, "extreme private property rights" have existed in the US for hundreds of years. Also, cancel culture is about cancelling people who espouse a particular idea. I refer you to copyright and patent law enforcement to see how attempts to enforce property rights on an idea has played out across history. There are many reasonable and unreasonable ways to do so. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
- mempko 3y ago
  That is not what the survey shows. Again, Paradox of Tolerance. Another example of right wing canceling https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/major-critic-of-x-sues-after-being-banned-from-platform/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/major-critic-of-...
  - keyboard_slap 3y ago
    > That is not what the survey shows. In OP's article, doesn't the survey show that conservative respondents are about as likely to allow campus speakers who espoused liberal opinions as ones who espoused conservative opinions?
    - mempko 3y ago
      Look at the numbers of who is willing to disagree with their professor publicly on controversial topics. It's those on the left. In other words, more open to express their opinions. By preventing intolerant speech from entering the space, you open it up to people being open to speak freely. The right is simply more open to having people come in that would scare people from speaking. Again, Paradox of Tolerance. So you have to aggressively deny intolerant people space because it creates an unfree, fearful space.
      - waterheater 3y ago
        >Look at the numbers of who is willing to disagree with their professor publicly on controversial topics. It's those on the left. Those numbers aren't in OP's article. However, even if that statistic is true, all it says is that people on the right handle conflict better than people on the left. Your assumption is logically invalid since you're making an assumption that people on the right invite people come in that scare people from speaking. Those speakers truly don't, and the left students actively prevent those invited speakers from even speaking. Also, thanks to your HN profile information, I see you graduated from North Central College in Naperville, IL in 2006. You've been out of school for quite a while, so I can understand that you're probably looking through the lens of college in the mid-2000s. You really don't understand how current students think. Having been in the classroom these past few years, it's abundantly clear that the conservative students are afraid to disagree with their professors, particularly if the professor makes it known that they themselves are liberal.

by mempko 3y ago

honkkong420 3y ago

Hardly, the left platforms anti-white bigots all the time. It's clear that censoring anti-White bigots would make it safer to be White in America, but the left won't lift a finger because it wants more dead white people.

mempko 3y ago
We found one folks.

waterheater 3y ago

>If you let bigots talk, you will get more bigotry and in the end a less free society. By definition, a bigot is "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices" [1]. There are bigots on both the left and the right. No one is saying there aren't bigots on the right. What the survey is saying that the majority of the people obstinately devoted to their own opinions are on the left. For some reason, many people on the left become obstinate when anyone (even a self-identifying liberal) makes that observation. >They wanted extreme private property rights, well that's how you get 'cancel culture'. Nope, "extreme private property rights" have existed in the US for hundreds of years. Also, cancel culture is about cancelling people who espouse a particular idea. I refer you to copyright and patent law enforcement to see how attempts to enforce property rights on an idea has played out across history. There are many reasonable and unreasonable ways to do so. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

mempko 3y ago
That is not what the survey shows. Again, Paradox of Tolerance. Another example of right wing canceling https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/major-critic-of-x-sues-after-being-banned-from-platform/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/major-critic-of-...
- keyboard_slap 3y ago
  > That is not what the survey shows. In OP's article, doesn't the survey show that conservative respondents are about as likely to allow campus speakers who espoused liberal opinions as ones who espoused conservative opinions?
  - mempko 3y ago
    Look at the numbers of who is willing to disagree with their professor publicly on controversial topics. It's those on the left. In other words, more open to express their opinions. By preventing intolerant speech from entering the space, you open it up to people being open to speak freely. The right is simply more open to having people come in that would scare people from speaking. Again, Paradox of Tolerance. So you have to aggressively deny intolerant people space because it creates an unfree, fearful space.
    - waterheater 3y ago
      >Look at the numbers of who is willing to disagree with their professor publicly on controversial topics. It's those on the left. Those numbers aren't in OP's article. However, even if that statistic is true, all it says is that people on the right handle conflict better than people on the left. Your assumption is logically invalid since you're making an assumption that people on the right invite people come in that scare people from speaking. Those speakers truly don't, and the left students actively prevent those invited speakers from even speaking. Also, thanks to your HN profile information, I see you graduated from North Central College in Naperville, IL in 2006. You've been out of school for quite a while, so I can understand that you're probably looking through the lens of college in the mid-2000s. You really don't understand how current students think. Having been in the classroom these past few years, it's abundantly clear that the conservative students are afraid to disagree with their professors, particularly if the professor makes it known that they themselves are liberal.