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It's not cheating anyone when both parties knowingly agree to the terms. This is just heavy handed regulation that destroys options for workers and consumers.

by seneca 3y ago

CoastalCoder 3y ago
But in this case, Uber/Lyft were breaking workers' unwaivable legal protections. It's analogous to saying that robbery at gunpoint isn't "cheating", because both sides agree to the terms. Technically it's not "cheating", but that's not the aspect most people care about.
- salamanderss 3y ago
  The Uber driver is basically a business owner fulfilling contracts to customers brokered through an online clearinghouse. They're hyper capitalists exploiting regulatory advantages over taxi drivers then sad face at the downsides to that.
  - throw_m239339 3y ago
    > The Uber driver is basically a business owner fulfilling contracts to customers brokered through an online clearinghouse. They're hyper capitalists exploiting regulatory advantages over taxi drivers then sad face at the downsides to that. No they are not, otherwise they could freely set the fare and the market would decide the final price, not Uber or Lyft. Clearly that's not the case here.
    - salamanderss 3y ago
      I would argue Lyft/Uber are merely shitty brokers. You can definitely contract with a broker to use take it or leave it price fixing, it's just not a quality I would particularly desire.
jkaplowitz 3y ago
Both parties did not knowingly agree to the terms. From the article, quoting the office of NY Attorney General Letitia James: > From 2014 to 2017, Uber deducted sales taxes and Black Car Fund fees from drivers’ payments when those taxes and fees should have been paid by passengers. Uber misrepresented the deductions made to drivers’ pay in their terms of service, telling drivers that Uber would only deduct its commission from the drivers’ fare, and that drivers were “entitled to charge [the passenger] for any tolls, taxes or fees incurred,” though no method to do this was ever provided via the Uber Driver app.
plagiarist 3y ago
Libertarianism, the perfect economic system in which nothing can go wrong.

It's not cheating anyone when both parties knowingly agree to the terms. This is just heavy handed regulation that destroys options for workers and consumers.

by seneca 3y ago

It's not cheating anyone when both parties knowingly agree to the terms. This is just heavy handed regulation that destroys options for workers and consumers.

CoastalCoder 3y ago

But in this case, Uber/Lyft were breaking workers' unwaivable legal protections. It's analogous to saying that robbery at gunpoint isn't "cheating", because both sides agree to the terms. Technically it's not "cheating", but that's not the aspect most people care about.

salamanderss 3y ago
The Uber driver is basically a business owner fulfilling contracts to customers brokered through an online clearinghouse. They're hyper capitalists exploiting regulatory advantages over taxi drivers then sad face at the downsides to that.
- throw_m239339 3y ago
  > The Uber driver is basically a business owner fulfilling contracts to customers brokered through an online clearinghouse. They're hyper capitalists exploiting regulatory advantages over taxi drivers then sad face at the downsides to that. No they are not, otherwise they could freely set the fare and the market would decide the final price, not Uber or Lyft. Clearly that's not the case here.
  - salamanderss 3y ago
    I would argue Lyft/Uber are merely shitty brokers. You can definitely contract with a broker to use take it or leave it price fixing, it's just not a quality I would particularly desire.

jkaplowitz 3y ago

Both parties did not knowingly agree to the terms. From the article, quoting the office of NY Attorney General Letitia James: > From 2014 to 2017, Uber deducted sales taxes and Black Car Fund fees from drivers’ payments when those taxes and fees should have been paid by passengers. Uber misrepresented the deductions made to drivers’ pay in their terms of service, telling drivers that Uber would only deduct its commission from the drivers’ fare, and that drivers were “entitled to charge [the passenger] for any tolls, taxes or fees incurred,” though no method to do this was ever provided via the Uber Driver app.

plagiarist 3y ago

Libertarianism, the perfect economic system in which nothing can go wrong.