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> The other issue is that now days Windows programming skills are basically non-transferable. It used to be everything ran on Windows, so if you spent some time
by DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
> The other issue is that now days Windows programming skills are basically non-transferable. It used to be everything ran on Windows, so if you spent some time at Microsoft learning the depths of Win32, you were easily employable as a senior/principal engineer at a ton of other companies.
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> Nowadays the number of C++ Windows development positions is so low that unless a developer wants to spend their entire life at Microsoft, learning native Windows development is basically wasted time on the resume.
And it's a negative-cycle too: competent (let alone expert) desktop app developers will become a rare-breed as the capabilities of the web platform (i.e. Chromium) keep on growing, year after year. I figure that eventually even the most web-unfriendly and nativist of native desktop applications (e.g. Photoshop, AutoCAD, et cetera) will end up as WASM blobs rendering to a <canvas> as their UI slowly shifts from whatever in-house Win32 wrappers they have to HTML+CSS. I don't think Tim Berners-Lee could have ever imagined that.
...and this is all because MSFT couldn't put together a consistent and coherent modern desktop development story after VB6 got killed in 2001. If you're some wide-eyed kid in 2012 who wants to make a simple form/window/app that plays fart sounds when you click a button it's 100x easier to do that in HTML+JS than in WinForms/.NET (whereas in VB6 it might even be easier than in HTML+JS, tbh).
The biggest shame here is that as everything moves to the web and off from desktops, we'll lose control over our own data: what incentive would 2033's Adobe have to let you download your own PSD files from the WASM-only Photoshop of the future?
- sirwhinesalot 3y agoThe shitshow that was Win32 -> Windows Forms part 2 (non native "Strip" controls) -> WPF -> WinRT -> UWP -> WinUI 2 -> WinUI 3 pretty much killed any chance at a nice cross platform native-UI library developing. Even Qt tells people not to use the native windows theme anymore since you don't even get a dark mode.
- com2kid 3y agoHold on now, WinForms is really nice to use. Several years back I needed to prototype a website, so I spent less than a day putting something together in WinForms that had all the functionality I needed. I hadn't used WinForms for several years at that point, but Visual Studio made it really easy to hook up the many, many, data bound fields I had. Over 2 months later I had a React version of the app working. Sure the React site was cross platform, and worked on mobile and desktop, but holy cow, 1 day versus 2 months. WinForms along with Visual Studio, is an amazing combo for productivity.