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Musk has it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Nf56srwcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Nf56srwcA. Social media is now less town square ("Speakers Cor

Musk has it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Nf56srwcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Nf56srwcA. Social media is now less town square ("Speakers Corner") and is a information weapon. I think Musk hoped to use blue checkmark attribution as a means of putting posts to the attribution test, and I believe he underestimated the appeal of bias enforcing anonymous posting. The tension between freedom of speech and dog whistling is unresolvable and I would argue different times call for different approaches. Its clear state and state-sponsored actors are abusing social media liberalism to the great detriment of Western values and stability. Its clear these same actors do not permit the freedom of communication they abuse elsewhere. By way of example, its fascinating the LGBT+ community is so tightly allied with radical Islamic voices against the LGBT+ friendly country of Israel. Its fascinating because of network effects that drive this apparent alliance, whereby a group likely to be outlawed (or worse) identifies with its avowed oppressors. We live in very interesting times.

AzzieElbab 3y ago
"By way of example, its fascinating the LGBT+ community is so tightly allied with radical Islamic voices against the LGBT+ friendly country of Israel. Its fascinating because of network effects that drive this apparent alliance, whereby a group likely to be outlawed (or worse) identifies with its avowed oppressors." - Interesting. I never considered network effects role in this "strange bedfellows" phenomenon, thinking this was primarily due to intersectionality i.e. all the "oppressed" unite against all the "oppressors."
- d0gsg0w00f 3y ago
  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
raincole 3y ago
> By way of example, its fascinating the LGBT+ community is so tightly allied with radical Islamic voices against the LGBT+ friendly country of Israel. Its fascinating because of network effects that drive this apparent alliance, whereby a group likely to be outlawed (or worse) identifies with its avowed oppressors. I don't know what you think network effects do here. There is a very clear reason why LGBT+ community is allied with radical Islamic, and everyone knows it.
- howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
  Actually, it makes no sense. It would be one thing to identify with the Palestinian people, but its altogether a different thing to identify with Hamas, or any radical Islamist group. Candidly, its quite possibly a sign of childhood mental illness now manifesting in young and full adulthood. Specifically, the loneliness of being unfairly outcast in youth manifesting as projective identification of an oppressed group, and with their oppressors -> Hamas. Yes, Hamas are the oppressors.
  - mariusor 3y ago
    I think you're making some weird assumptions here, just because two groups of people have similar opinions about the same thing, does not make them "tightly allied". I dare you to produce messages of support for the extremists from anyone in the LGBT community. [edit] Actually I'll recant somewhat, you can probably find racists in any community, but I dare say that those messages come from individuals being assholes rather than individuals expressing community opinions.
    - howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
      Dare accepted. Here ya go: https://twitter.com/search?q=israel%20lgbt&src=typed_query https://twitter.com/search?q=israel%20lgbt&src=typed_query Its really difficult to browse through these. Some of the most wonderful people I know are Lesbian and Gay people my age, and while not a single one of them identifies with Hamas, its clear the younger generation does. Its madness.
      - mariusor 3y ago
        I don't feel like you fulfilled your promise, that link is useless. I want to see where you get this "clarity" about the younger generation, with specific examples, not hand waving and "do your own research"...
- smegsicle 3y ago
  i keep hearing accusations like this that the lgbt+ community is antisemitic, but just don't get it- aren't many such influencers jewish?
antod 3y ago
"tightly allied" sounds like either a fallacy or a bad faith argument. Even ignoring the current situation, criticizing something doesn't necessarily ally you with someone else criticizing the same thing. The "enemy of my enemy is not my friend" etc.

AzzieElbab 3y ago

"By way of example, its fascinating the LGBT+ community is so tightly allied with radical Islamic voices against the LGBT+ friendly country of Israel. Its fascinating because of network effects that drive this apparent alliance, whereby a group likely to be outlawed (or worse) identifies with its avowed oppressors." - Interesting. I never considered network effects role in this "strange bedfellows" phenomenon, thinking this was primarily due to intersectionality i.e. all the "oppressed" unite against all the "oppressors."

d0gsg0w00f 3y ago
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

raincole 3y ago

> By way of example, its fascinating the LGBT+ community is so tightly allied with radical Islamic voices against the LGBT+ friendly country of Israel. Its fascinating because of network effects that drive this apparent alliance, whereby a group likely to be outlawed (or worse) identifies with its avowed oppressors. I don't know what you think network effects do here. There is a very clear reason why LGBT+ community is allied with radical Islamic, and everyone knows it.

howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
Actually, it makes no sense. It would be one thing to identify with the Palestinian people, but its altogether a different thing to identify with Hamas, or any radical Islamist group. Candidly, its quite possibly a sign of childhood mental illness now manifesting in young and full adulthood. Specifically, the loneliness of being unfairly outcast in youth manifesting as projective identification of an oppressed group, and with their oppressors -> Hamas. Yes, Hamas are the oppressors.
- mariusor 3y ago
  I think you're making some weird assumptions here, just because two groups of people have similar opinions about the same thing, does not make them "tightly allied". I dare you to produce messages of support for the extremists from anyone in the LGBT community. [edit] Actually I'll recant somewhat, you can probably find racists in any community, but I dare say that those messages come from individuals being assholes rather than individuals expressing community opinions.
  - howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
    Dare accepted. Here ya go: https://twitter.com/search?q=israel%20lgbt&src=typed_query https://twitter.com/search?q=israel%20lgbt&src=typed_query Its really difficult to browse through these. Some of the most wonderful people I know are Lesbian and Gay people my age, and while not a single one of them identifies with Hamas, its clear the younger generation does. Its madness.
    - mariusor 3y ago
      I don't feel like you fulfilled your promise, that link is useless. I want to see where you get this "clarity" about the younger generation, with specific examples, not hand waving and "do your own research"...
smegsicle 3y ago
i keep hearing accusations like this that the lgbt+ community is antisemitic, but just don't get it- aren't many such influencers jewish?

antod 3y ago

"tightly allied" sounds like either a fallacy or a bad faith argument. Even ignoring the current situation, criticizing something doesn't necessarily ally you with someone else criticizing the same thing. The "enemy of my enemy is not my friend" etc.