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> some people have interpreted it as being written from a conservative point of view Well, the comment in question uses a lot of conservative tropes: a) ppl n

by r00fus 3y ago

> some people have interpreted it as being written from a conservative point of view Well, the comment in question uses a lot of conservative tropes: a) ppl not earning = on welfare b) victim blaming c) GDP uber alles

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
things that are not particular conservative tropes. > It's almost impossible for children who grow up in this situation to escape it themselves. Understanding that people cannot escape poverty by 'themselves' >On the subject of policy, things like the expanded child tax credit and school lunches pay the government back incredibly well, so support for stuff like that isn't just helping your neighbor, it's helping yourself, too. seem to support paying more taxes to help less fortunate people. These things taken together makes me think the parts that sound uncaring are maybe just poorly phrased. > a) ppl not earning = on welfare "probably on welfare" is what they say, which if you "can't afford child care" it might be that you need some government assistance of some sort when one of the partners drops out of the workforce to take care of the children. This is of course different than "the benefit of the partner working in comparison to paying for child care is negligible", which would be another reason for one to drop out and take care of the children. For some reason everybody came with the example of "the benefit of the partner working in comparison is negligible" examples in contrast to "can't afford child care", which would be understandable if they said well there's another reason than just not being able to afford why people drop - but they didn't make that comment. So for these various reasons I think the comment was reasonable compassionate but did have a GDP viewpoint on why the system should be changed to allow people to continue working and afford childcare.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  to clarify "the benefit of the partner working is negligible" this of course hits those cases in which one partner basically earns for a full time employment something close to what child care costs anyway. They CAN afford child care but child care is NOT WORTH IT. Just had to clarify what should be a simple concept, but sometimes I worry. on edit: this is essentially the point michealt made earlier https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38111884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38111884 but they made it evidently as a reason why the original comment should be downvoted. on second edit: of course assumption is the other partner earns a lot.

by r00fus 3y ago

bryanrasmussen 3y ago

things that are not particular conservative tropes. > It's almost impossible for children who grow up in this situation to escape it themselves. Understanding that people cannot escape poverty by 'themselves' >On the subject of policy, things like the expanded child tax credit and school lunches pay the government back incredibly well, so support for stuff like that isn't just helping your neighbor, it's helping yourself, too. seem to support paying more taxes to help less fortunate people. These things taken together makes me think the parts that sound uncaring are maybe just poorly phrased. > a) ppl not earning = on welfare "probably on welfare" is what they say, which if you "can't afford child care" it might be that you need some government assistance of some sort when one of the partners drops out of the workforce to take care of the children. This is of course different than "the benefit of the partner working in comparison to paying for child care is negligible", which would be another reason for one to drop out and take care of the children. For some reason everybody came with the example of "the benefit of the partner working in comparison is negligible" examples in contrast to "can't afford child care", which would be understandable if they said well there's another reason than just not being able to afford why people drop - but they didn't make that comment. So for these various reasons I think the comment was reasonable compassionate but did have a GDP viewpoint on why the system should be changed to allow people to continue working and afford childcare.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
to clarify "the benefit of the partner working is negligible" this of course hits those cases in which one partner basically earns for a full time employment something close to what child care costs anyway. They CAN afford child care but child care is NOT WORTH IT. Just had to clarify what should be a simple concept, but sometimes I worry. on edit: this is essentially the point michealt made earlier https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38111884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38111884 but they made it evidently as a reason why the original comment should be downvoted. on second edit: of course assumption is the other partner earns a lot.