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Frustratingly NTFS has had proper metadata support for 30 years but FAT32 was a bag of rotten hacks, so Microsoft couldn’t fix this either even though their for

by pavlov 3y ago

Frustratingly NTFS has had proper metadata support for 30 years but FAT32 was a bag of rotten hacks, so Microsoft couldn’t fix this either even though their forward-looking OS had everything needed.

veidr 3y ago
I know. I'm getting close to 50 years old, and I have lots of *COMPLAINTS!!!* about how various tech (Atari 2600 ~ iPhone 15 Pro Max) worked out. But filesystems seem like the biggest species-level fuckup. Windows had their shit, Mac had HFS then "HFS+" until... tbh, quite breathtakingly, like five minutes ago, When they finally introduced APFS. But like... no checksumming, just Mötley Crüe data integrity, it's all good, iCloud backups FTW amirite!?! ZFS is good; I use it. But it didn't pan out, because a humanity-saving filesystem has to work on the systems humans actually use... (T_T)
- babypuncher 3y ago
  Apple considered using ZFS but decided to build their own because Oracle. I do not blame them one bit.
  - veidr 3y ago
    I don't, either; that Oracle submarine pervert is the worst-remaining tech villain. Nevertheless, Apple built something objectively worse (T_T)
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      > worst-remaining tech villain. That crown would be a pretty tough one to hold, there are some good candidates.
  - chungy 3y ago
    They canceled those plans long before Oracle was even thinking of buying Sun. It's more a classic case of Apple's "not invented here"
    - babypuncher 3y ago
      APFS wasn't publicly unveiled until 2017, did it really spend more than 7 years in active development before then?
      - chungy 3y ago
        Probably. File systems are hard to make sure to get just right. ZFS took just about 5 years to mature into a production release. From its inception in 2000 to production release in 2005. Oracle's btrfs (their attempt at competing with ZFS) began in 2008. Still isn't mature.
    - veidr 3y ago
      Well, even Sun was wedded to the (shit-the-bed) CDDL, but before Oracle there was the sense that a one-off deal might be made. Once Oracle bought Sun, it was like "Which is more important, your filesystem or your OS?" Which isn't a hard question with regards to any filesystem I've ever used except ZFS. Seems insane to use anything else for long-term storage, unless it has some kind of high corporate budget.

by pavlov 3y ago

veidr 3y ago

I know. I'm getting close to 50 years old, and I have lots of *COMPLAINTS!!!* about how various tech (Atari 2600 ~ iPhone 15 Pro Max) worked out. But filesystems seem like the biggest species-level fuckup. Windows had their shit, Mac had HFS then "HFS+" until... tbh, quite breathtakingly, like five minutes ago, When they finally introduced APFS. But like... no checksumming, just Mötley Crüe data integrity, it's all good, iCloud backups FTW amirite!?! ZFS is good; I use it. But it didn't pan out, because a humanity-saving filesystem has to work on the systems humans actually use... (T_T)

babypuncher 3y ago
Apple considered using ZFS but decided to build their own because Oracle. I do not blame them one bit.
- veidr 3y ago
  I don't, either; that Oracle submarine pervert is the worst-remaining tech villain. Nevertheless, Apple built something objectively worse (T_T)
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > worst-remaining tech villain. That crown would be a pretty tough one to hold, there are some good candidates.
- chungy 3y ago
  They canceled those plans long before Oracle was even thinking of buying Sun. It's more a classic case of Apple's "not invented here"
  - babypuncher 3y ago
    APFS wasn't publicly unveiled until 2017, did it really spend more than 7 years in active development before then?
    - chungy 3y ago
      Probably. File systems are hard to make sure to get just right. ZFS took just about 5 years to mature into a production release. From its inception in 2000 to production release in 2005. Oracle's btrfs (their attempt at competing with ZFS) began in 2008. Still isn't mature.
  - veidr 3y ago
    Well, even Sun was wedded to the (shit-the-bed) CDDL, but before Oracle there was the sense that a one-off deal might be made. Once Oracle bought Sun, it was like "Which is more important, your filesystem or your OS?" Which isn't a hard question with regards to any filesystem I've ever used except ZFS. Seems insane to use anything else for long-term storage, unless it has some kind of high corporate budget.