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It's quite all right for you to be unhappy about the lack of one feature on the newest version of the RPi but I think you're overstating it by claiming that the

It's quite all right for you to be unhappy about the lack of one feature on the newest version of the RPi but I think you're overstating it by claiming that they are shooting themselves in the foot. Also are you saying that you've already switched to the Orange Pi 5? That's amazingly fast considering the RPi5 was launched less than 2 weeks ago.

orangepurple 3y ago
RK3588S is the name of the game
snvzz 3y ago
>Also are you saying that you've already switched to the Orange Pi 5? That's amazingly fast considering the RPi5 was launched less than 2 weeks ago. Doesn't strike me as odd. Orange Pi 5 has been available for a relative long time. After seeing the Raspberry Pi 5 they were holding on for is not worth it, they finally pulled the plug with Orange Pi 5.
- nsteel 3y ago
  Strikes me as odd to make an emotional decision over lack of hardware support for something. I'm going to wait and see if I notice a difference, I am told that I won't. And I already know from bitter experience that those other boards are great until you find the thing that doesn't work and is *NEVER* fixed.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    There's a lot of boards out there. They are not actually divided into groups like "Raspberry Pi" and "the others, which are broken." Way to talk about emotional decisions while being bitter about some bad experience with another SBC. I have personally had great experiences with other SBCs, and I'm not just talking VisionFive2, but ARM ones, over the years. There's a lot of them, and it takes some care in choice. Insist on the few ones that have SoCs with good upstream support. There's also a tendency for good ones to come in series; the already named Orange Pi 5 has many predecessors, and established reputation. And a friendly reminder below that Raspberry Pi does have its own dark history. Be it Codec licenses to use the hardware acceleration, camera DRM, or hardware bugs. Such as the USB protection dropping too much voltage on the first Pi, or the 2nd generation rebooting when exposed to light, or the third "+" models erratic ethernet behavior. Or the main serial port suddenly not working, because now it's bluetooth's, and you have to use an alternative, unreliable one which baudrate scales with cpu clock. And that broken serial port staying broken despite RPi4 added more hardware serial ports. Or RPi4 shipping w/o a heatsink, and throttling constantly until one is added. And RPi5 still not supporting voltages above 5v via usb-pd, despite demanding more peak current than ever before. Then there's people issues, like forgetting its good-for-society not-for-profit and focusing on making money. The "Pi 400", as well as prioritizing industry customers; it was really hard to get a Pi4 for a period of time spawning years. I'm saying this despite I own all models, keep most of them in use still, and will likely get a rpi5 down the line, just to mess around, despite trying to move most of my computing to the standard RISC-V ISA.
    - nsteel 3y ago
      > Way to talk about emotional decisions while being bitter That's fair. > about some bad experience with another SBC. I didn't say one bad experience. I've tried a load of those "pi-killer" SBCs that have universally crap software support. Normally requiring some old version of Debian/Ubuntu and even then with some of their "killer" features broken. It is good to see Orange Pi actually doing some work there, maybe it is time to try again with an alternate board. I am bitter because it's frustrating that unlike hardware bugs that are actually hard to fix once you've started shipping, software can be updated. But none of the other companies invest in that. It feels like they are just on to the next version, desperate to keep ahead on features. Compared to Raspberry Pi, where for example, things like the Pi 4 throttling issue are fixed/improved down the line. > RPi5 still not supporting voltages above 5v via usb-pd I didn't see this one. Do you have details?
      - snvzz 3y ago
        >I didn't see this one. Do you have details? Like the previous boards, it doesn't support usb power beyond 5v. This time it's usb-pd proper, but still has that limit. So It's the same as usual. Most usb supplies out there (majorly phone chargers) won't output much current at 5v, only at higher voltages, thus you need to buy a known-good supply especially just so that the rpi is happy. And, as happened the last time, the old one is probably not good enough, as current requirements went up.
        nsteel 3y ago
        Oh right, I've never had problems there but I've a good selection of decent power supplies. I've been using my Pi 4 supply with the Pi 5, no problems so far but I am only using one USB device (not a disk...). I can see why they did it but I agree it's pretty annoying. For the record, you can disable the new USB current limitation when using a 3A PSU, supposedly it still functions fine but as always, depends what you are doing.

orangepurple 3y ago

RK3588S is the name of the game

snvzz 3y ago

>Also are you saying that you've already switched to the Orange Pi 5? That's amazingly fast considering the RPi5 was launched less than 2 weeks ago. Doesn't strike me as odd. Orange Pi 5 has been available for a relative long time. After seeing the Raspberry Pi 5 they were holding on for is not worth it, they finally pulled the plug with Orange Pi 5.

nsteel 3y ago
Strikes me as odd to make an emotional decision over lack of hardware support for something. I'm going to wait and see if I notice a difference, I am told that I won't. And I already know from bitter experience that those other boards are great until you find the thing that doesn't work and is *NEVER* fixed.
- snvzz 3y ago
  There's a lot of boards out there. They are not actually divided into groups like "Raspberry Pi" and "the others, which are broken." Way to talk about emotional decisions while being bitter about some bad experience with another SBC. I have personally had great experiences with other SBCs, and I'm not just talking VisionFive2, but ARM ones, over the years. There's a lot of them, and it takes some care in choice. Insist on the few ones that have SoCs with good upstream support. There's also a tendency for good ones to come in series; the already named Orange Pi 5 has many predecessors, and established reputation. And a friendly reminder below that Raspberry Pi does have its own dark history. Be it Codec licenses to use the hardware acceleration, camera DRM, or hardware bugs. Such as the USB protection dropping too much voltage on the first Pi, or the 2nd generation rebooting when exposed to light, or the third "+" models erratic ethernet behavior. Or the main serial port suddenly not working, because now it's bluetooth's, and you have to use an alternative, unreliable one which baudrate scales with cpu clock. And that broken serial port staying broken despite RPi4 added more hardware serial ports. Or RPi4 shipping w/o a heatsink, and throttling constantly until one is added. And RPi5 still not supporting voltages above 5v via usb-pd, despite demanding more peak current than ever before. Then there's people issues, like forgetting its good-for-society not-for-profit and focusing on making money. The "Pi 400", as well as prioritizing industry customers; it was really hard to get a Pi4 for a period of time spawning years. I'm saying this despite I own all models, keep most of them in use still, and will likely get a rpi5 down the line, just to mess around, despite trying to move most of my computing to the standard RISC-V ISA.
  - nsteel 3y ago
    > Way to talk about emotional decisions while being bitter That's fair. > about some bad experience with another SBC. I didn't say one bad experience. I've tried a load of those "pi-killer" SBCs that have universally crap software support. Normally requiring some old version of Debian/Ubuntu and even then with some of their "killer" features broken. It is good to see Orange Pi actually doing some work there, maybe it is time to try again with an alternate board. I am bitter because it's frustrating that unlike hardware bugs that are actually hard to fix once you've started shipping, software can be updated. But none of the other companies invest in that. It feels like they are just on to the next version, desperate to keep ahead on features. Compared to Raspberry Pi, where for example, things like the Pi 4 throttling issue are fixed/improved down the line. > RPi5 still not supporting voltages above 5v via usb-pd I didn't see this one. Do you have details?
    - snvzz 3y ago
      >I didn't see this one. Do you have details? Like the previous boards, it doesn't support usb power beyond 5v. This time it's usb-pd proper, but still has that limit. So It's the same as usual. Most usb supplies out there (majorly phone chargers) won't output much current at 5v, only at higher voltages, thus you need to buy a known-good supply especially just so that the rpi is happy. And, as happened the last time, the old one is probably not good enough, as current requirements went up.
      - nsteel 3y ago
        Oh right, I've never had problems there but I've a good selection of decent power supplies. I've been using my Pi 4 supply with the Pi 5, no problems so far but I am only using one USB device (not a disk...). I can see why they did it but I agree it's pretty annoying. For the record, you can disable the new USB current limitation when using a 3A PSU, supposedly it still functions fine but as always, depends what you are doing.