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Apple is primarily a hardware company. Their ad business is successful in a basic-ass, privacy-friendly way, because to show ads on their platform, you have to

by kaba0 3y ago

Apple is primarily a hardware company. Their ad business is successful in a basic-ass, privacy-friendly way, because to show ads on their platform, you have to pay apple, no competitors there. Google literally lives from ads, this is just not a comparison made in good-faith.

tazjin 3y ago
It is a comparison made in good faith. I'm sick and tired of being forced to use proprietary software, which means being forced to endure bugs I can't fix, and while it's not feasible to live a modern life Stallman-style, you can already get pretty far. Apple is the antithesis of this. One company shows up and makes all decisions for you, and you have no recourse, and that's it. If you don't like it, sucks to be you, go buy something else (I did).
- threeseed 3y ago
  No one is forcing you to buy an iPhone and no one is forcing you to use proprietary software.
  - hu3 3y ago
    Their point is that with Apple you ARE forced to use proprietary software. They never said anything about forced to use iPhone.
Steltek 3y ago
If Apple was primarily a hardware company, I could run Android on an iPhone. Apple is about image and status. A walled ecosystem to maintain that image.
- kaba0 3y ago
  There is this: https://projectsandcastle.org/ https://projectsandcastle.org/ But it’s a mobile device — swapping OS is not a trivial feat, not even on the android side. Especially if you care about security (pinephones for example don’t care at all). Their macs on the other hand allows safe booting of other OSs, see the Asahi project.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    > pinephones for example don’t care at all This is completely false. Care to provide any proofs?
    - kaba0 3y ago
      Linux desktop is completely insecure, the unix permissions are meaningless for single-user systems (an npm install can steal/encrypt all your family photos, ssh keys, browser config). That same model is applied for pinephone, with an insecure hardware (physical access means complete control, no secure boot, a single SD card swap completely compromises the device)
      - fsflover 3y ago
        Linux model relies on using trusted, signed, FLOSS apps from the repository. Show me malware in there.

by kaba0 3y ago

tazjin 3y ago

It is a comparison made in good faith. I'm sick and tired of being forced to use proprietary software, which means being forced to endure bugs I can't fix, and while it's not feasible to live a modern life Stallman-style, you can already get pretty far. Apple is the antithesis of this. One company shows up and makes all decisions for you, and you have no recourse, and that's it. If you don't like it, sucks to be you, go buy something else (I did).

threeseed 3y ago
No one is forcing you to buy an iPhone and no one is forcing you to use proprietary software.
- hu3 3y ago
  Their point is that with Apple you ARE forced to use proprietary software. They never said anything about forced to use iPhone.

Steltek 3y ago

If Apple was primarily a hardware company, I could run Android on an iPhone. Apple is about image and status. A walled ecosystem to maintain that image.

kaba0 3y ago
There is this: https://projectsandcastle.org/ https://projectsandcastle.org/ But it’s a mobile device — swapping OS is not a trivial feat, not even on the android side. Especially if you care about security (pinephones for example don’t care at all). Their macs on the other hand allows safe booting of other OSs, see the Asahi project.
- fsflover 3y ago
  > pinephones for example don’t care at all This is completely false. Care to provide any proofs?
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Linux desktop is completely insecure, the unix permissions are meaningless for single-user systems (an npm install can steal/encrypt all your family photos, ssh keys, browser config). That same model is applied for pinephone, with an insecure hardware (physical access means complete control, no secure boot, a single SD card swap completely compromises the device)
    - fsflover 3y ago
      Linux model relies on using trusted, signed, FLOSS apps from the repository. Show me malware in there.