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> Artificial and Generally Intelligent. That's what it's supposed to mean. What it used to mean. A bar we have passed. Since when? You can ask 10 people and ge

> Artificial and Generally Intelligent. That's what it's supposed to mean. What it used to mean. A bar we have passed. Since when? You can ask 10 people and get 10 different definitions

famouswaffles 3y ago
That was the idea when the term was coined. Obviously now it just means all sorts of things.
- lm28469 3y ago
  But what's "general" ? Does it exist physically ? Can it play tennis ? Can it smell a flower ? Can it assemble an ikea shelf ? Can it make and serve me a tea ? Some people, even on HN, say chatgpt already is AGI for example...
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    General was to distinguish between the Narrow intelligences of the time, intelligences that could only complete one task. General was taken to mean "many different tasks". It was not supposed to mean "any task imaginable". Smell, play tennis, Assemble an Ikea shelf are clearly not hard bars of general intelligence. There are millions of disabled humans who can't do any of the things you mentioned. Are they not general intelligences ? Yes GPT-4 is AGI by the original definition.
    - lm28469 3y ago
      > Yes GPT-4 is AGI by the original definition. Where can I find this "original definition" ? I can't find any consensus about chatgpt being AGI, even openAI doesn't present it as is, nor can I find any serious paper about it being AGI either It is a language model, a very good one, but language is the party trick of intelligence, hence people get easily tricked and anthropomorphise chatgpt to give it attributes it doesn't actually displays.
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        1. "I think GPT-3 is artificial general intelligence, AGI. I think GPT-3 is as intelligent as a human. And I think that it is probably more intelligent than a human in a restricted way… in many ways it is more purely intelligent than humans are. I think humans are approximating what GPT-3 is doing, not vice versa.” — Connor Leahy, co-founder of EleutherAI, creator of GPT-J (November 2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrV19SjKUss&t=175s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrV19SjKUss&t=175s 2. https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/ https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-... 3. Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4. https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 The especially funny thing bout this paper is that the original title in the tex source on that arxiv page is "First Contact With an AGI System" \title{%\textbf{WORK IN PROGRESS - DO NOT SHARE} \\ %First Contact With an AGI System} \textbf{Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence:} \\ \textbf{Early experiments with GPT-4}} 4. Artificial muses: Generative Artificial Intelligence Chatbots Have Risen to Human-Level Creativity. These guys just switched the order of two words so they wouldn't have to call it AGI lol. https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12003 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12003 5. Open ai. GPTs are GPTs (General Purpose Technologies): An Early Look at the Labor Market Impact Potential of Large Language Models - https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.10130 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.10130 6. Accuracy of a Generative Artificial Intelligence Model in a Complex Diagnostic Challenge - The old switcheroo again. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2806457 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/28064... There isn't a testable definition of General Intelligence that GPT-4 would fail that a chunk of humans also wouldn't. If there are some humans that can't pass your bar of general intelligence then it is not a test of general intelligence.
        lm28469 3y ago
        > 1. co-founder of EleutherAI Biased, like Musk when he sold the model S as fully autonomous in 2 years, back in 2012, still nowhere to be seen in 2023 > 2. Cool opinion, both of them work for .... Google > 3. Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence Biased since it was done by Microsoft which is heavily invested in openai > 4. These guys just switched the order of two words so they wouldn't have to call it AGI lol. Generative != General > 5. 6. Seem unrelated I'll believe when I see it. Chatgpt is to AGI what the wheel is to an ICBM, it might lead there at some point but we'll need a lot of breakthrough in a lot of disciplines before we can see the link.

> Artificial and Generally Intelligent. That's what it's supposed to mean. What it used to mean. A bar we have passed. Since when? You can ask 10 people and get 10 different definitions

famouswaffles 3y ago

That was the idea when the term was coined. Obviously now it just means all sorts of things.

lm28469 3y ago
But what's "general" ? Does it exist physically ? Can it play tennis ? Can it smell a flower ? Can it assemble an ikea shelf ? Can it make and serve me a tea ? Some people, even on HN, say chatgpt already is AGI for example...
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  General was to distinguish between the Narrow intelligences of the time, intelligences that could only complete one task. General was taken to mean "many different tasks". It was not supposed to mean "any task imaginable". Smell, play tennis, Assemble an Ikea shelf are clearly not hard bars of general intelligence. There are millions of disabled humans who can't do any of the things you mentioned. Are they not general intelligences ? Yes GPT-4 is AGI by the original definition.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    > Yes GPT-4 is AGI by the original definition. Where can I find this "original definition" ? I can't find any consensus about chatgpt being AGI, even openAI doesn't present it as is, nor can I find any serious paper about it being AGI either It is a language model, a very good one, but language is the party trick of intelligence, hence people get easily tricked and anthropomorphise chatgpt to give it attributes it doesn't actually displays.
    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      1. "I think GPT-3 is artificial general intelligence, AGI. I think GPT-3 is as intelligent as a human. And I think that it is probably more intelligent than a human in a restricted way… in many ways it is more purely intelligent than humans are. I think humans are approximating what GPT-3 is doing, not vice versa.” — Connor Leahy, co-founder of EleutherAI, creator of GPT-J (November 2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrV19SjKUss&t=175s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrV19SjKUss&t=175s 2. https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/ https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-... 3. Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4. https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 The especially funny thing bout this paper is that the original title in the tex source on that arxiv page is "First Contact With an AGI System" \title{%\textbf{WORK IN PROGRESS - DO NOT SHARE} \\ %First Contact With an AGI System} \textbf{Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence:} \\ \textbf{Early experiments with GPT-4}} 4. Artificial muses: Generative Artificial Intelligence Chatbots Have Risen to Human-Level Creativity. These guys just switched the order of two words so they wouldn't have to call it AGI lol. https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12003 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12003 5. Open ai. GPTs are GPTs (General Purpose Technologies): An Early Look at the Labor Market Impact Potential of Large Language Models - https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.10130 https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.10130 6. Accuracy of a Generative Artificial Intelligence Model in a Complex Diagnostic Challenge - The old switcheroo again. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2806457 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/28064... There isn't a testable definition of General Intelligence that GPT-4 would fail that a chunk of humans also wouldn't. If there are some humans that can't pass your bar of general intelligence then it is not a test of general intelligence.
      - lm28469 3y ago
        > 1. co-founder of EleutherAI Biased, like Musk when he sold the model S as fully autonomous in 2 years, back in 2012, still nowhere to be seen in 2023 > 2. Cool opinion, both of them work for .... Google > 3. Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence Biased since it was done by Microsoft which is heavily invested in openai > 4. These guys just switched the order of two words so they wouldn't have to call it AGI lol. Generative != General > 5. 6. Seem unrelated I'll believe when I see it. Chatgpt is to AGI what the wheel is to an ICBM, it might lead there at some point but we'll need a lot of breakthrough in a lot of disciplines before we can see the link.