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In games, the phenomenon that repeatedly emerges is a transition from commodity barter to commodity money. Maybe it's due to limitations of each game's item and

In games, the phenomenon that repeatedly emerges is a transition from commodity barter to commodity money. Maybe it's due to limitations of each game's item and exchange systems, but we never see a credit theory scenario emerge. I'd love to see a game that allows for both scenarios where we can run this experiment any number of times to see what happens.

littlestymaar 3y ago
> Maybe it's due to limitations of each game's item and exchange systems, but we never see a credit theory scenario emerge. It's not particularly surprising: credit relies on trust, which in turns can rely on either 1. close social relationship between participants (the traditional society model) or 2. the existence of a coercive force you can call to help you get your credit back (the state). MMORPG have 1. inside clans and guilds, and as such lending between clan members is commonplace, but since there's no 2. the debt-based economy can never arise at game scale.
- weatherlight 3y ago
  This tracks with my understanding and expectations as well. What doe the "existence of a coercive force you can call to help you get your credit back," would look like in a MMO, and how you could gamify that mechanic. Maybe something like a credit score and bounty hunters? smart contracts? (not crypto based.) Fun to think about.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    It's fun to think about indeed, but in terms of gameplay I suspect it would actually make the gaming experience miserable. IRL, people are already working all days most of their life to reimburse their various debts, transposing that mechanic in game would be terrible. People are already complaining about “having to work” to cope with the gold sinks in MMOs, I don't think many would find it fun to be tracked by repo men in game.
    - weatherlight 3y ago
      probably true.. I'm not sure how you'd gamify that... where both parties would enjoy that.
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      This isn't too dissimilar from the Covenants in Dark Souls, which influence the way players match with each other. When you kill an NPC or commit other heinous acts, you gain Sin, which any players of a given Covenant can "invade" your world instance at random anytime they want to punish sinners. This covenant system created a deep and engaging playerbase. I've not seen any other game pull such a system off, but it was fun. If the risks and rewards are right, it can work.

littlestymaar 3y ago

> Maybe it's due to limitations of each game's item and exchange systems, but we never see a credit theory scenario emerge. It's not particularly surprising: credit relies on trust, which in turns can rely on either 1. close social relationship between participants (the traditional society model) or 2. the existence of a coercive force you can call to help you get your credit back (the state). MMORPG have 1. inside clans and guilds, and as such lending between clan members is commonplace, but since there's no 2. the debt-based economy can never arise at game scale.

weatherlight 3y ago
This tracks with my understanding and expectations as well. What doe the "existence of a coercive force you can call to help you get your credit back," would look like in a MMO, and how you could gamify that mechanic. Maybe something like a credit score and bounty hunters? smart contracts? (not crypto based.) Fun to think about.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  It's fun to think about indeed, but in terms of gameplay I suspect it would actually make the gaming experience miserable. IRL, people are already working all days most of their life to reimburse their various debts, transposing that mechanic in game would be terrible. People are already complaining about “having to work” to cope with the gold sinks in MMOs, I don't think many would find it fun to be tracked by repo men in game.
  - weatherlight 3y ago
    probably true.. I'm not sure how you'd gamify that... where both parties would enjoy that.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    This isn't too dissimilar from the Covenants in Dark Souls, which influence the way players match with each other. When you kill an NPC or commit other heinous acts, you gain Sin, which any players of a given Covenant can "invade" your world instance at random anytime they want to punish sinners. This covenant system created a deep and engaging playerbase. I've not seen any other game pull such a system off, but it was fun. If the risks and rewards are right, it can work.