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> But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this? Yes: Facebook proven to negatively impact mental health (tau.ac.il) https://news.ycombinator.

> But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this? Yes: Facebook proven to negatively impact mental health (tau.ac.il) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32938622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32938622 Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are deactivated (digiday.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29817297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29817297 Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist' (cnn.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27714103 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27714103 Testimony to House committee by former Facebook executive Tim Kendall (house.gov) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24579498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24579498

hartator 3y ago
All of this are far from material harms. Compared to what governments can do and are doing.
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- kibwen 3y ago
  Not only is Facebook a tool of oppressive governments, Facebook's own annual revenue is larger than the GDP of 2/3 of the countries in the world. I don't understand why people have this blind spot when it comes to giving corporations a pass on things that they'd criticize a government for. Most corporations are expressly authoritarian organizations, more so than many governments. Neither Facebook users nor Facebook employees can vote Zuckerberg out.
  - hartator 3y ago
    Still I haven't heard about Facebook killing anyone.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38118211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38118211
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Thorrez 3y ago
The 1st and 3rd link don't seem related to ads. The 4th link isn't loading for me, so I can't tell if it's related to ads. It's not clear to me that the 2nd link will be impacted by this new EU regulation.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Personalized ads means personalized tracking. The consequences are my links.
  - Thorrez 3y ago
    Removing the ads doesn't remove the personalized tracking AFAIK. The personalized tracking remains AFAIK. And what's the definition of tracking? It's not clear to me if links 1,3,4 are related to personalized tracking. For example, is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking?
    - fsflover 3y ago
      The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads. Tracking is defined in GDPR as storing personal information without consent or necessity. > is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking? Yes, if I did not give consent to create a profile on me.
      - Thorrez 3y ago
        >The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads. That's not how I interpreted the conversation. The article says: >a ban imposed by non-EU member Norway on "behavioural advertising" on Facebook and Instagram That seems to be banning tracking for ads, but tracking for timeline suggestions and friend suggestions would still be allowed. And the comment I replied to seemed to be about ads: >>But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this?

hartator 3y ago

All of this are far from material harms. Compared to what governments can do and are doing.

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kibwen 3y ago
Not only is Facebook a tool of oppressive governments, Facebook's own annual revenue is larger than the GDP of 2/3 of the countries in the world. I don't understand why people have this blind spot when it comes to giving corporations a pass on things that they'd criticize a government for. Most corporations are expressly authoritarian organizations, more so than many governments. Neither Facebook users nor Facebook employees can vote Zuckerberg out.
- hartator 3y ago
  Still I haven't heard about Facebook killing anyone.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38118211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38118211

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Thorrez 3y ago

The 1st and 3rd link don't seem related to ads. The 4th link isn't loading for me, so I can't tell if it's related to ads. It's not clear to me that the 2nd link will be impacted by this new EU regulation.

fsflover 3y ago
Personalized ads means personalized tracking. The consequences are my links.
- Thorrez 3y ago
  Removing the ads doesn't remove the personalized tracking AFAIK. The personalized tracking remains AFAIK. And what's the definition of tracking? It's not clear to me if links 1,3,4 are related to personalized tracking. For example, is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking?
  - fsflover 3y ago
    The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads. Tracking is defined in GDPR as storing personal information without consent or necessity. > is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking? Yes, if I did not give consent to create a profile on me.
    - Thorrez 3y ago
      >The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads. That's not how I interpreted the conversation. The article says: >a ban imposed by non-EU member Norway on "behavioural advertising" on Facebook and Instagram That seems to be banning tracking for ads, but tracking for timeline suggestions and friend suggestions would still be allowed. And the comment I replied to seemed to be about ads: >>But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this?