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Can you elaborate please?

eurekin 3y ago
I think this is relevant: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...
- infecto 3y ago
  Soliciting Input on Dual-Use Foundation Models with Widely Available Model Weights. When the weights for a dual-use foundation model are widely available — such as when they are publicly posted on the Internet — there can be substantial benefits to innovation, but also substantial security risks, such as the removal of safeguards within the model. To address the risks and potential benefits of dual-use foundation models with widely available weights, within 270 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce, acting through the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information, and in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall... I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be.
  - eurekin 3y ago
    This is huge news... Has anybody seen any discussions around that topic?
    - akalajeu 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112969
      - infecto 3y ago
        This is not a discussion, this is just you posting verbatim what the executive order said.
  - btbuildem 3y ago
    This exists solely to protect the incumbents (OpenAI et al)
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      OpenAI has truly lived up to its name! Not even Oracle dared to pull shit like this w/ Java.
      - pixl97 3y ago
        Eh, I may be misremembering my history, but didn't they try back in the day and quickly got smacked down for one reason or another?
        moralestapia 3y ago
        They do defend their business, tooth and nail. But this would be akin to them saying "you know, bytecode could be used for evil, and we'd to regulate/outlaw the development of new virtual machines like the one we already have".
  - kgeist 3y ago
    China and Russia will keep using US models because they don't care about US laws. I think if restrictions on AI are only applied in the US, such restrictions will only put Americans at a disadvantage. P.S. I'm from one of the said countries
    - eurekin 3y ago
      I feel like this is another case of screens for e-book readers; where a single player had everybody else in a chokehold for decades, and slowed down innovation to a drip
  - pmarreck 3y ago
    > the removal of safeguards within the model this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress I have already had good-actor success with uncensored models
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress This isn't legislation. And its not proposing anything except soliciting input from a broad range of civil society groups and writing a report. If the report calls for dumb regulatory ideas, that’ll be appropriate to complain about. But “there’s a thing that is happening that seems like it might have big effects, gather input from experts and concerned parties and then writeup findings on the impacts and what, if any, action seems warranted is... not a particularly alarming thing.
      - pmarreck 3y ago
        OK. The way it was portrayed is that this was "very bad" so I assumed something was decreed without sufficient input from the industry/community.
  - chasd00 3y ago
    > removal of safeguards within the model This is insanity. I have to be missing something, what else do the safeguards prevent the LLM from doing? This has to be more about this than like preventing an LLM from using bad words or showing support for Trump...
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be. How dumb its going to be to... solicit input from a wide range of different areas and write a report?
- tyler33 3y ago
  we just have to download the weights and use piratebay, or even emule, just like old times
  - eurekin 3y ago
    Yes, but companies will have no incentive to publish open source models anymore. Or, it could be so difficult/beaurocratic no one will bother and keep it close source
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      What will actually happen is that innovation there will just move somewhere else (and it has partly done so). This proposal is the US doing that bicycle/stick meme, it will backfire spectacularly.
      - lukeschlather 3y ago
        The innovation is largely happening within the megacorps anyway, this is solely intended to make sure the innovation cannot move somewhere else.
        eurekin 3y ago
        Still, one of those corporations wants to capture the market and has monopolistic attitude. Meta clearly chose the other direction, when publishing their models and allowing us all to participate in.
        v3ss0n 3y ago
        Mistral and Falcon is not from megacorps and not even US.and many other opensource chinese models . And both are based models that means they are totally organic outside of US.
        renewiltord 3y ago
        That’s what they told us. Turns out Google stopped innovating a long time ago. They could say stuff like this when Bard wasn’t out but now we have Mistral and friends to compare to Llama. Now it turns out they were just bullshitting at Google.

I think this is relevant: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...

infecto 3y ago
Soliciting Input on Dual-Use Foundation Models with Widely Available Model Weights. When the weights for a dual-use foundation model are widely available — such as when they are publicly posted on the Internet — there can be substantial benefits to innovation, but also substantial security risks, such as the removal of safeguards within the model. To address the risks and potential benefits of dual-use foundation models with widely available weights, within 270 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce, acting through the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information, and in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall... I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be.
- eurekin 3y ago
  This is huge news... Has anybody seen any discussions around that topic?
  - akalajeu 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112969
    - infecto 3y ago
      This is not a discussion, this is just you posting verbatim what the executive order said.
- btbuildem 3y ago
  This exists solely to protect the incumbents (OpenAI et al)
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    OpenAI has truly lived up to its name! Not even Oracle dared to pull shit like this w/ Java.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      Eh, I may be misremembering my history, but didn't they try back in the day and quickly got smacked down for one reason or another?
      - moralestapia 3y ago
        They do defend their business, tooth and nail. But this would be akin to them saying "you know, bytecode could be used for evil, and we'd to regulate/outlaw the development of new virtual machines like the one we already have".
- kgeist 3y ago
  China and Russia will keep using US models because they don't care about US laws. I think if restrictions on AI are only applied in the US, such restrictions will only put Americans at a disadvantage. P.S. I'm from one of the said countries
  - eurekin 3y ago
    I feel like this is another case of screens for e-book readers; where a single player had everybody else in a chokehold for decades, and slowed down innovation to a drip
- pmarreck 3y ago
  > the removal of safeguards within the model this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress I have already had good-actor success with uncensored models
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > this cat is already out of the bag, so this is pointless legislation that just hampers progress This isn't legislation. And its not proposing anything except soliciting input from a broad range of civil society groups and writing a report. If the report calls for dumb regulatory ideas, that’ll be appropriate to complain about. But “there’s a thing that is happening that seems like it might have big effects, gather input from experts and concerned parties and then writeup findings on the impacts and what, if any, action seems warranted is... not a particularly alarming thing.
    - pmarreck 3y ago
      OK. The way it was portrayed is that this was "very bad" so I assumed something was decreed without sufficient input from the industry/community.
- chasd00 3y ago
  > removal of safeguards within the model This is insanity. I have to be missing something, what else do the safeguards prevent the LLM from doing? This has to be more about this than like preventing an LLM from using bad words or showing support for Trump...
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > I believe that is the relevant section, which I am hoping they realize how dumb this is going to be. How dumb its going to be to... solicit input from a wide range of different areas and write a report?
tyler33 3y ago
we just have to download the weights and use piratebay, or even emule, just like old times
- eurekin 3y ago
  Yes, but companies will have no incentive to publish open source models anymore. Or, it could be so difficult/beaurocratic no one will bother and keep it close source
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    What will actually happen is that innovation there will just move somewhere else (and it has partly done so). This proposal is the US doing that bicycle/stick meme, it will backfire spectacularly.
    - lukeschlather 3y ago
      The innovation is largely happening within the megacorps anyway, this is solely intended to make sure the innovation cannot move somewhere else.
      - eurekin 3y ago
        Still, one of those corporations wants to capture the market and has monopolistic attitude. Meta clearly chose the other direction, when publishing their models and allowing us all to participate in.
      - v3ss0n 3y ago
        Mistral and Falcon is not from megacorps and not even US.and many other opensource chinese models . And both are based models that means they are totally organic outside of US.
      - renewiltord 3y ago
        That’s what they told us. Turns out Google stopped innovating a long time ago. They could say stuff like this when Bard wasn’t out but now we have Mistral and friends to compare to Llama. Now it turns out they were just bullshitting at Google.