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Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, they’ll do what many news sites in Germany already do: Option A: Continue for free with ads (and tracking and pr

Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, they’ll do what many news sites in Germany already do: Option A: Continue for free with ads (and tracking and profiling etc.) Option B: Pay for a subscription without ads or tracking (most seem to use a service called "Pur" (pure)) This does not mesh with some people’s understanding of the GDPR, but at least several German courts said it’s okay.

gpderetta 3y ago
This is common in Italy as well. Do you have any (English) links to court reports?
- Semaphor 3y ago
  No, and I can’t even find the German reports (this was a while ago, but I’m reasonably certain I didn’t make a court case up :D). But Netzpolitik [0] reports that our Data Protection Agencies essentially declared it as okay half a year ago. [0]: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/alternative-zu-tracking-datenschutzbehoerden-geben-pur-abos-ihren-segen/ https://netzpolitik.org/2023/alternative-zu-tracking-datensc...
tzs 3y ago
My recollection is that at least some country's regulators have said that if you offer option A you must also offer option A': continue for free without tracking and profiling. Their reasoning was that GDPR says that consent must be freely given. If the site provides more service if you consent than the consent is not freely given according to those regulators. (It seemed kind of goofy to me. In every other context I can think of consenting to something that you do not like in exchange for getting something that you want is usually considered to be freely given consent unless that something you want is something that is necessary).
- Semaphor 3y ago
  As I posted in another comment, German regulators apparently okayed this.
- xigoi 3y ago
  If what you're describing is free consent, then what does non-free consent look like?
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    The current solution at facebook: You will be tracked.
    - xigoi 3y ago
      That's not non-free consent, that's not consent at all.
      - Semaphor 3y ago
        You can not use it. That’s the logic here, that for free consent, a workable alternative has to exist, and some regulators say that "paying" is one, while "not using the biggest social network in the western world" is not.
  - shaftway 3y ago
    "Look at these ads or I will hit you with a hammer"

gpderetta 3y ago

This is common in Italy as well. Do you have any (English) links to court reports?

Semaphor 3y ago
No, and I can’t even find the German reports (this was a while ago, but I’m reasonably certain I didn’t make a court case up :D). But Netzpolitik [0] reports that our Data Protection Agencies essentially declared it as okay half a year ago. [0]: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/alternative-zu-tracking-datenschutzbehoerden-geben-pur-abos-ihren-segen/ https://netzpolitik.org/2023/alternative-zu-tracking-datensc...

tzs 3y ago

My recollection is that at least some country's regulators have said that if you offer option A you must also offer option A': continue for free without tracking and profiling. Their reasoning was that GDPR says that consent must be freely given. If the site provides more service if you consent than the consent is not freely given according to those regulators. (It seemed kind of goofy to me. In every other context I can think of consenting to something that you do not like in exchange for getting something that you want is usually considered to be freely given consent unless that something you want is something that is necessary).

Semaphor 3y ago
As I posted in another comment, German regulators apparently okayed this.
xigoi 3y ago
If what you're describing is free consent, then what does non-free consent look like?
- Semaphor 3y ago
  The current solution at facebook: You will be tracked.
  - xigoi 3y ago
    That's not non-free consent, that's not consent at all.
    - Semaphor 3y ago
      You can not use it. That’s the logic here, that for free consent, a workable alternative has to exist, and some regulators say that "paying" is one, while "not using the biggest social network in the western world" is not.
- shaftway 3y ago
  "Look at these ads or I will hit you with a hammer"