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I will never understand the petty gripes people have about HA. This category of software requires a community keeping the integration ecosystem up to date. Sof

I will never understand the petty gripes people have about HA. This category of software requires a community keeping the integration ecosystem up to date. Software with easy to understand abstractions and no frills UI/UX makes it easy to hack on without having to grok complexity. A base project for home automation centralization free of big name companies is inherently valuable software and a public good.

walth 3y ago
I don't think you'll find much software that touches the day-to-day life of the average user as much as Home Assistant does. Living through breaking backwards compatibility and deprecations I think is the paint point- just continued paper cuts for the grumpy here. it's easy to lose sight of how great a piece of software it is
- organsnyder 3y ago
  > I don't think you'll find much software that touches the day-to-day life of the average user as much as Home Assistant does. This is very true. Whenever I mess around with my homelab cluster (the current iteration is going to be the stable one, I promise!), Home Assistant is the service that needs to work—even though I've built our home automation system to not preclude manual control.
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- nomel 3y ago
  My Samsung, Google, Wyze, and car charger integrations slowly stopped working. I'm replacing everything with dumb stuff again, because the breakage (not usually HA's fault) is just too annoying. This stuff needs to be an appliance, or managed by someone else, to make sense.
  - Avamander 3y ago
    I just took the ZigBee approach. A vendor can't (usually) remove or break the features available and it'll just work for years and years. Though such an approach doesn't work with many other integrations.
    - nomel 3y ago
      Absolutely. Those are the only things still alive, but it seems to be a niche market. I fear that Thread/Matter will be the end of ZigBee, and vendors will take the easy route of using/requiring the border routers.
Scene_Cast2 3y ago
On one hand, I'm deriving a ton of value from HA. The other OSS platforms have nowhere near the same integration coverage. On the other hand, the jank I put up with... To start - just for the basic display functionality: * you can't really scroll around or zoom in the dates in the default visualization (graph) cards * HVAC visualization doesn't show heating heating mode, unless you also enable temperature viz. It can't display heating stages at all, as far as I know. * From what I understand, one is supposed to do viz through grafana and influx instead. However, if using the Home Assistant OS, one is tied to the add-on store, which has an obsolete version of grafana with some distinct changes from mainline grafana. Forums typically assume that you're not using HA OS, but it's never explicit. * card layout is clunky (can't easily do full width two column) * custom sensors show up as numbers instead of graphs unless they have an associated unit (still haven't figured out how to fix that), sensors with the same unit show up in the same graph (why do I want to see percent chance of rain and percent battery on the same graph? why do I want to see sun angle degrees in the same graph as wind angle? * etc etc
- barbazoo 3y ago
  Have you tried alternative cards through the HACS?

walth 3y ago

I don't think you'll find much software that touches the day-to-day life of the average user as much as Home Assistant does. Living through breaking backwards compatibility and deprecations I think is the paint point- just continued paper cuts for the grumpy here. it's easy to lose sight of how great a piece of software it is

organsnyder 3y ago
> I don't think you'll find much software that touches the day-to-day life of the average user as much as Home Assistant does. This is very true. Whenever I mess around with my homelab cluster (the current iteration is going to be the stable one, I promise!), Home Assistant is the service that needs to work—even though I've built our home automation system to not preclude manual control.
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nomel 3y ago
My Samsung, Google, Wyze, and car charger integrations slowly stopped working. I'm replacing everything with dumb stuff again, because the breakage (not usually HA's fault) is just too annoying. This stuff needs to be an appliance, or managed by someone else, to make sense.
- Avamander 3y ago
  I just took the ZigBee approach. A vendor can't (usually) remove or break the features available and it'll just work for years and years. Though such an approach doesn't work with many other integrations.
  - nomel 3y ago
    Absolutely. Those are the only things still alive, but it seems to be a niche market. I fear that Thread/Matter will be the end of ZigBee, and vendors will take the easy route of using/requiring the border routers.

Scene_Cast2 3y ago

On one hand, I'm deriving a ton of value from HA. The other OSS platforms have nowhere near the same integration coverage. On the other hand, the jank I put up with... To start - just for the basic display functionality: * you can't really scroll around or zoom in the dates in the default visualization (graph) cards * HVAC visualization doesn't show heating heating mode, unless you also enable temperature viz. It can't display heating stages at all, as far as I know. * From what I understand, one is supposed to do viz through grafana and influx instead. However, if using the Home Assistant OS, one is tied to the add-on store, which has an obsolete version of grafana with some distinct changes from mainline grafana. Forums typically assume that you're not using HA OS, but it's never explicit. * card layout is clunky (can't easily do full width two column) * custom sensors show up as numbers instead of graphs unless they have an associated unit (still haven't figured out how to fix that), sensors with the same unit show up in the same graph (why do I want to see percent chance of rain and percent battery on the same graph? why do I want to see sun angle degrees in the same graph as wind angle? * etc etc

barbazoo 3y ago
Have you tried alternative cards through the HACS?