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The metaverse part as a whole feels completely unneeded and misguided (spending so much time on declaring it dead, with 0 mention of VRChat or RecRooms is odd),

The metaverse part as a whole feels completely unneeded and misguided (spending so much time on declaring it dead, with 0 mention of VRChat or RecRooms is odd), but the dive on how much SV loves productivity apps was interesting. This reminds me of Hello Internet (rest in hiatus) with the more US minded CGP Grey spending so much time on productivity tricks, to the point he's now part of a company making productivity goods. And in contrast Brady getting bored to death by the productivity gurus, just delivering project after project without the weird and random systems, while enjoying resort beaches, also building legos, also going to parties etc. and just seemingly enjoying life so much more.

m463 3y ago
because of who is trying to start it, I can't think of any product that would be less successful except maybe "meta connected underwear"™. The more someone wants to own it, to control it, surveil, the less people will buy in.
- mcny 3y ago
  > The more someone wants to own it, to control it, surveil, the less people will buy in. I remember when I first got into Android, the open handset alliance was such a big thing. The goal, at least what I thought was the goal, was to bring together all the manufacturers, software developers, telco operators, and users on a single platform so they could avoid duplicating effort. I think you’re right. The platform succeeded because google refused to suck up too much of the oxygen in the room in the project’s infancy. Funny enough though as a user it was maddening to see basic apps that could get bug fixes and updates because they were part of aosp and couldn’t update from android market. I actually wanted those to be on an App Store because manufacturers didn’t have regular updates
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  As "metaverse" was not capitalized I assumed the generic term. Otherwise I don't think Horizon getting sunset would mean Meta giving up, they've shown willingness to go down that road as far as they need to. That could include buying up any service that gets ahead in the Occulus ecosystem, though I'm definitely not thrilled by that perspective.
pjc50 3y ago
Productivity in that sense seems to be an outgrowth of "hustle" culture. It's something between a cargo cult and an MLM; people hope to make money by selling productivity apps to other people who want to be more productive in their productivity app startup. At no point is anything of value produced, because the western US is already absurdly abundant in anything that can be "produced". What is left to produce? Only things that are "rival" (real estate), or public goods (addressing SF's crime and cleanliness problem would be great for its residents, but it's not possible to charge for it, so it's not going to be fixed). People look at the app store and weep because there are no more worlds to conquer.
m_mueller 3y ago
does anyone know what happened to Hello Internet? I kinda miss that podcast...

m463 3y ago

because of who is trying to start it, I can't think of any product that would be less successful except maybe "meta connected underwear"™. The more someone wants to own it, to control it, surveil, the less people will buy in.

mcny 3y ago
> The more someone wants to own it, to control it, surveil, the less people will buy in. I remember when I first got into Android, the open handset alliance was such a big thing. The goal, at least what I thought was the goal, was to bring together all the manufacturers, software developers, telco operators, and users on a single platform so they could avoid duplicating effort. I think you’re right. The platform succeeded because google refused to suck up too much of the oxygen in the room in the project’s infancy. Funny enough though as a user it was maddening to see basic apps that could get bug fixes and updates because they were part of aosp and couldn’t update from android market. I actually wanted those to be on an App Store because manufacturers didn’t have regular updates
makeitdouble 3y ago
As "metaverse" was not capitalized I assumed the generic term. Otherwise I don't think Horizon getting sunset would mean Meta giving up, they've shown willingness to go down that road as far as they need to. That could include buying up any service that gets ahead in the Occulus ecosystem, though I'm definitely not thrilled by that perspective.

pjc50 3y ago

Productivity in that sense seems to be an outgrowth of "hustle" culture. It's something between a cargo cult and an MLM; people hope to make money by selling productivity apps to other people who want to be more productive in their productivity app startup. At no point is anything of value produced, because the western US is already absurdly abundant in anything that can be "produced". What is left to produce? Only things that are "rival" (real estate), or public goods (addressing SF's crime and cleanliness problem would be great for its residents, but it's not possible to charge for it, so it's not going to be fixed). People look at the app store and weep because there are no more worlds to conquer.

m_mueller 3y ago

does anyone know what happened to Hello Internet? I kinda miss that podcast...