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CEOs? Bad example there. I am very concerned about labour rights, as that will be very important in a world of ever-fewer jobs with more competition for those

by v0cab 15y ago

CEOs? Bad example there. I am very concerned about labour rights, as that will be very important in a world of ever-fewer jobs with more competition for those jobs, for the students when they grow up, and for now, when their parents need jobs to support their family. If students can get teachers fired with just an accusation, * The students will end up with a fragmented education from a chain of supply teachers and replacements. * Teachers will have to pander to students even more than they already do, for fear that a disgruntled student will decide to cry wolf. Lessons will focus on fun, not education, and teachers will be unable to stop students from disrupting class. The comparison to a trader or hedge fund manager doesn't stand, as the market cannot decide to deliberately move against him out of spite, a need for power, or boredom. [EDIT: Forgot to mention that private companies are more motivated to care about the product. Public school administrators would be more concerned about 'liability' and eliminating a source of 'hassle', than with the quality of the product. There's little incentive for them to work to keep a good teacher who's been unfairly accused. The comparison to programmers is also not appropriate, for those same reasons.]

tqwcs 15y ago
I think you are unfairly describing the situation. My friend is a teacher who readily admits it would take them about two years to get fired. Two years of essentially not doing their job. The teachers in Atlanta that were taking their students tests for them may not even end up being fired. We aren't talking about teachers not being able to be fired on a whim. We are talking about bad teachers with a history not being able to be fired.
yummyfajitas 15y ago
The comparison to a trader or hedge fund manager doesn't stand, as the market cannot decide to deliberately move against him out of spite, a need for power, or boredom. Others in the company can and often do. You seem unfamiliar with corporate politics. Public school administrators would be more concerned about 'liability' and eliminating a source of 'hassle', than with the quality of the product. This is why I favor holding them responsible for outcomes as well, and allowing them to be fired if things don't turn out well.

by v0cab 15y ago

tqwcs 15y ago

I think you are unfairly describing the situation. My friend is a teacher who readily admits it would take them about two years to get fired. Two years of essentially not doing their job. The teachers in Atlanta that were taking their students tests for them may not even end up being fired. We aren't talking about teachers not being able to be fired on a whim. We are talking about bad teachers with a history not being able to be fired.

yummyfajitas 15y ago

The comparison to a trader or hedge fund manager doesn't stand, as the market cannot decide to deliberately move against him out of spite, a need for power, or boredom. Others in the company can and often do. You seem unfamiliar with corporate politics. Public school administrators would be more concerned about 'liability' and eliminating a source of 'hassle', than with the quality of the product. This is why I favor holding them responsible for outcomes as well, and allowing them to be fired if things don't turn out well.