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It’s the bubble of very online people and start up culture who think tech people age out at 40. I know plenty of devs in theirs 50s, after that they just take e

It’s the bubble of very online people and start up culture who think tech people age out at 40. I know plenty of devs in theirs 50s, after that they just take early retirement since they’ve earned enough. Most devs aren’t terminally online, they treat coding as a job not a lifestyle and for them it’s just like any other industry - so you don’t hear from them. Also, some devs retire into SQL and DBA like work since you can basically make yourself unfireable if you want to coast out the last decade of your career.

deepsun 3y ago
> ... to coast out the last decade of your career. Here right now the age vibe is coming from ;) It's not like a doctor can coast it out (or maybe I'm also naive). (I'm an employer as of now)
- ttt3ts 3y ago
  I would argue that a coasting grey beard could easily be better than a mid level dev with maybe 5 years experience. I run a contract shop and all my best DB guys are greybeards... coasting. It doesn't matter, after so many years with postgres & MySQL they are amazing.
  - andrei_says_ 3y ago
    I take chill in-the-flow steady progress over hyper rah-rah-rah windmill attacks any day, week, and month.
  - deepsun 3y ago
    Agree, with DBA or system administration it's possible. Not so with UI/frontend development, for some reason that's always a rush. I would probably differentiate by work visibility: good work in DBA/sysadmin/security/accounting/quality is invisible, you only notice those folks when they have screwed up. With product/UX/new features it's the other way around, coasting is not possible.
    - ttt3ts 3y ago
      > With product/UX/new features it's the other way around, coasting is not possible. That very much depends on the application. I maintain some enterprise solutions for customers. Clients get upset if UI has flow changes. Also, changes don't make me money unless they are required for a new customer. I will do it on request and invoice for the work but no one is interested in change for the most part. I think this is VERY common in enterprise software.
- strangattractor 3y ago
  Grey beard here. The last interview I had with a company was with the CEO (no beard) that could barely stay awake because he had been up all night (think Sam Altman with scurvy). I seriously doubt he remembered anything about me. That one experience let me know that I would not be doing the "coasting" being referred to in this thread. Instead I would be losing sleep repairing the mistakes from bad decisions and lack of experience which would ultimately lead to a dead startup. Thank you no. There was a time when machismo was my middle name (much younger) and would have seen that as necessary for a successful startup. Now that I have several startups behind me I see it as simply bad management which decreases your chance for success which is stacked against you from the beginning anyway. That was several years ago. I don't think that startup exist any longer.
  - aorloff 3y ago
    I have often wondered if any VCs would allow a group of experienced devs to PE zombie startups, roll them up for pennies to see if any have an unexplored nugget of traction
    - hoseja 3y ago
      You'd have to pay the experienced devs in real money.
      - aorloff 3y ago
        Its the equity cramdown on the existing teams that would be harder
- simonbarker87 3y ago
  I meant nothing negative with my "retire into SQL" comment :-) some of the most fun I've had in my career is picking through a 25 year old SQL database understanding how it all works.
nunez 3y ago
I've worked with plenty of folks that are well past 40 and are thriving!
zahllos 3y ago
Since it is such a pervasive idea I will also drop a message to agree. I'm a mid 30s contractor and one of the youngest members of my team.
- heywire 3y ago
  At 41 I’m the youngest member of my team across dev, QA, and management.
bonestamp2 3y ago
Exactly, I work in enterprise and there are several guys past retirement age and they're the most productive and valuable guys we have. In other words, it probably makes sense to move away from startups as you age.
spicymaki 3y ago
> It’s the bubble of very online people and start up culture who think tech people age out at 40 Shhh... please don't tell the tech bros that there is a world outside of the Silicon Valley bubble! Where you can raise a family and make a good living working 9-5. Where you are not constantly trying to ruin and exploit the lives of normal people to make a short term gain. Where most of the actual work keeping the world afloat happens. It is better for us working dinosaurs that way.

deepsun 3y ago

> ... to coast out the last decade of your career. Here right now the age vibe is coming from ;) It's not like a doctor can coast it out (or maybe I'm also naive). (I'm an employer as of now)

ttt3ts 3y ago
I would argue that a coasting grey beard could easily be better than a mid level dev with maybe 5 years experience. I run a contract shop and all my best DB guys are greybeards... coasting. It doesn't matter, after so many years with postgres & MySQL they are amazing.
- andrei_says_ 3y ago
  I take chill in-the-flow steady progress over hyper rah-rah-rah windmill attacks any day, week, and month.
- deepsun 3y ago
  Agree, with DBA or system administration it's possible. Not so with UI/frontend development, for some reason that's always a rush. I would probably differentiate by work visibility: good work in DBA/sysadmin/security/accounting/quality is invisible, you only notice those folks when they have screwed up. With product/UX/new features it's the other way around, coasting is not possible.
  - ttt3ts 3y ago
    > With product/UX/new features it's the other way around, coasting is not possible. That very much depends on the application. I maintain some enterprise solutions for customers. Clients get upset if UI has flow changes. Also, changes don't make me money unless they are required for a new customer. I will do it on request and invoice for the work but no one is interested in change for the most part. I think this is VERY common in enterprise software.
strangattractor 3y ago
Grey beard here. The last interview I had with a company was with the CEO (no beard) that could barely stay awake because he had been up all night (think Sam Altman with scurvy). I seriously doubt he remembered anything about me. That one experience let me know that I would not be doing the "coasting" being referred to in this thread. Instead I would be losing sleep repairing the mistakes from bad decisions and lack of experience which would ultimately lead to a dead startup. Thank you no. There was a time when machismo was my middle name (much younger) and would have seen that as necessary for a successful startup. Now that I have several startups behind me I see it as simply bad management which decreases your chance for success which is stacked against you from the beginning anyway. That was several years ago. I don't think that startup exist any longer.
- aorloff 3y ago
  I have often wondered if any VCs would allow a group of experienced devs to PE zombie startups, roll them up for pennies to see if any have an unexplored nugget of traction
  - hoseja 3y ago
    You'd have to pay the experienced devs in real money.
    - aorloff 3y ago
      Its the equity cramdown on the existing teams that would be harder
simonbarker87 3y ago
I meant nothing negative with my "retire into SQL" comment :-) some of the most fun I've had in my career is picking through a 25 year old SQL database understanding how it all works.

nunez 3y ago

I've worked with plenty of folks that are well past 40 and are thriving!

zahllos 3y ago

Since it is such a pervasive idea I will also drop a message to agree. I'm a mid 30s contractor and one of the youngest members of my team.

heywire 3y ago
At 41 I’m the youngest member of my team across dev, QA, and management.

bonestamp2 3y ago

Exactly, I work in enterprise and there are several guys past retirement age and they're the most productive and valuable guys we have. In other words, it probably makes sense to move away from startups as you age.

spicymaki 3y ago

> It’s the bubble of very online people and start up culture who think tech people age out at 40 Shhh... please don't tell the tech bros that there is a world outside of the Silicon Valley bubble! Where you can raise a family and make a good living working 9-5. Where you are not constantly trying to ruin and exploit the lives of normal people to make a short term gain. Where most of the actual work keeping the world afloat happens. It is better for us working dinosaurs that way.