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What are you using for note taking? I while back I bought a small Wacom tablet for this very purpose, particularly being able to quickly sketch out diagrams whi

What are you using for note taking? I while back I bought a small Wacom tablet for this very purpose, particularly being able to quickly sketch out diagrams while in in meetings, but ended up giving up because I couldn't get the hang of using the tablet. I'm pretty sure it was a tooling issue rather than the tablet itself, and wouldn't mind taking another punt at it.

orbital-decay 3y ago
What's your OS? On Windows, Nebo is pretty good. Rnote is the best of FOSS, but it lacks handwriting recognition if you need it, at least for now. For hybrid workflows (tablet + keyboard) Obsidian also has something to offer, Excalidraw plugin in particular. >I'm pretty sure it was a tooling issue Depends on whether you want shape/diagram recognition or not. If the only thing you need is free-form drawing, you can use just about anything.
- abdullahkhalids 3y ago
  I just tried Rnote. Seems quite decent. But on MacOS, it seems to be bugged. Instead of a tiny pointer/eraser/other tool showing as the pointer, it continues to show the OS mouse pointer. I will try it on linux later. Hopefully it will work there. My initial gripe is that there are three different toolbars, all separated from each other. I want to change tools and their settings quickly, not move my hand across the entire screen. For example, select brush tool on bottom toolbar, select size on the left toolbar, then select color on the top toolbar.
abdullahkhalids 3y ago
I have the medium Wacom. I think the small size would be uncomfortable. When I was a prof, I used the Wacom on linux with OpenBoard [1] to teach online for two years of the pandemic. My work gave me a Macbooks, but OpenBoard has some weird bugs on MacOS. So I am using GoodNotes, which is very annoying, but the best of what I tried. In another life, I would dedicate a few years of my life writing a decent note taking app. [1] https://github.com/OpenBoard-org/OpenBoard https://github.com/OpenBoard-org/OpenBoard Edit: Besides the software, I think it takes a few weeks of writing on it daily where it becomes natural.
- quectophoton 3y ago
  > I have the medium Wacom. I think the small size would be uncomfortable. I have a Wacom Intuos S. Sample size 1, but I haven't been inconvenienced by its size, even while handwriting or drawing at Krita. On one hand, I don't think a thought like "this would be easier with a bigger tablet" has ever crossed my mind; but on the other hand, it's also true that I haven't tried anything bigger, so my only point of comparison is tablet vs mouse or tablet vs whiteboard/notebook.
  - abdullahkhalids 3y ago
    I haven't also tried the S one. But my intuition is the following. The surface of the tablet is mapped to your screen in terms of input. The Intuos M is just a bit smaller than 13 inch laptop screens. So what you see on the screen is roughly the same size as what you draw with your hand. Additionally, while writing at normal pen/paper size, my hand moves comfortably from the left of the tablet to the right as I write across the whole screen. If I had to use a Intuos S, then I imagine, I would have to write a lot smaller with my hand, but then have it appear as bigger on the screen. But my hand would not move a lot, and making tiny characters would tire my hand out faster. I think my brain would get used to it, but it will still be a jump.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      > The surface of the tablet is mapped to your screen in terms of input. Only in absolute mode though. If you switch it to relative mode though, then it's a bit more flexible.
syntheweave 3y ago
It's just a need to train hand-eye coordination. Practice blind contour[0] on the tablet for a few minutes a day for two weeks and it'll come around. Contour drawing is not taught in primary education, and it really should be: it generalizes on how you learned to write by learning some muscle memory and then playing it back to make a mark. Nobody who can write should be going around saying "I'm untalented at art, I can't even draw a straight line". [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_contour_drawing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_contour_drawing
RunSet 3y ago
https://xournalpp.github.io/ https://xournalpp.github.io/
- abdullahkhalids 3y ago
  I looked into it, and its actually quite good. I didn't like the old xournal but this one really is ++. Best thing is that they have a plugin architecture that can do some basic customization.
gnosek 3y ago
https://rnote.flxzt.net/ https://rnote.flxzt.net/ is pretty nice on Linux (for one-off drawings, not really for organizing them I think)

orbital-decay 3y ago

What's your OS? On Windows, Nebo is pretty good. Rnote is the best of FOSS, but it lacks handwriting recognition if you need it, at least for now. For hybrid workflows (tablet + keyboard) Obsidian also has something to offer, Excalidraw plugin in particular. >I'm pretty sure it was a tooling issue Depends on whether you want shape/diagram recognition or not. If the only thing you need is free-form drawing, you can use just about anything.

abdullahkhalids 3y ago
I just tried Rnote. Seems quite decent. But on MacOS, it seems to be bugged. Instead of a tiny pointer/eraser/other tool showing as the pointer, it continues to show the OS mouse pointer. I will try it on linux later. Hopefully it will work there. My initial gripe is that there are three different toolbars, all separated from each other. I want to change tools and their settings quickly, not move my hand across the entire screen. For example, select brush tool on bottom toolbar, select size on the left toolbar, then select color on the top toolbar.

abdullahkhalids 3y ago

I have the medium Wacom. I think the small size would be uncomfortable. When I was a prof, I used the Wacom on linux with OpenBoard [1] to teach online for two years of the pandemic. My work gave me a Macbooks, but OpenBoard has some weird bugs on MacOS. So I am using GoodNotes, which is very annoying, but the best of what I tried. In another life, I would dedicate a few years of my life writing a decent note taking app. [1] https://github.com/OpenBoard-org/OpenBoard https://github.com/OpenBoard-org/OpenBoard Edit: Besides the software, I think it takes a few weeks of writing on it daily where it becomes natural.

quectophoton 3y ago
> I have the medium Wacom. I think the small size would be uncomfortable. I have a Wacom Intuos S. Sample size 1, but I haven't been inconvenienced by its size, even while handwriting or drawing at Krita. On one hand, I don't think a thought like "this would be easier with a bigger tablet" has ever crossed my mind; but on the other hand, it's also true that I haven't tried anything bigger, so my only point of comparison is tablet vs mouse or tablet vs whiteboard/notebook.
- abdullahkhalids 3y ago
  I haven't also tried the S one. But my intuition is the following. The surface of the tablet is mapped to your screen in terms of input. The Intuos M is just a bit smaller than 13 inch laptop screens. So what you see on the screen is roughly the same size as what you draw with your hand. Additionally, while writing at normal pen/paper size, my hand moves comfortably from the left of the tablet to the right as I write across the whole screen. If I had to use a Intuos S, then I imagine, I would have to write a lot smaller with my hand, but then have it appear as bigger on the screen. But my hand would not move a lot, and making tiny characters would tire my hand out faster. I think my brain would get used to it, but it will still be a jump.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    > The surface of the tablet is mapped to your screen in terms of input. Only in absolute mode though. If you switch it to relative mode though, then it's a bit more flexible.

syntheweave 3y ago

It's just a need to train hand-eye coordination. Practice blind contour[0] on the tablet for a few minutes a day for two weeks and it'll come around. Contour drawing is not taught in primary education, and it really should be: it generalizes on how you learned to write by learning some muscle memory and then playing it back to make a mark. Nobody who can write should be going around saying "I'm untalented at art, I can't even draw a straight line". [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_contour_drawing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_contour_drawing

RunSet 3y ago

https://xournalpp.github.io/ https://xournalpp.github.io/

abdullahkhalids 3y ago
I looked into it, and its actually quite good. I didn't like the old xournal but this one really is ++. Best thing is that they have a plugin architecture that can do some basic customization.

gnosek 3y ago

https://rnote.flxzt.net/ https://rnote.flxzt.net/ is pretty nice on Linux (for one-off drawings, not really for organizing them I think)