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Credit cards almost always side with the consumer if you have meaningful spend and very few issues/chargebacks/claims. If you never use the card, and then charg

Credit cards almost always side with the consumer if you have meaningful spend and very few issues/chargebacks/claims. If you never use the card, and then chargeback, they'll just deny your claim and drop your ass. It's not about the money of the individual charge (for small stuff like this anyway), it's about keeping you happy and spending on the card. I highly doubt the argument itself was relevant whatsoever.

freedomben 3y ago
Hasn't worked for me. Chargebacks are pretty much non-existent. The bank will just contact the vendor, ask them if they delivered "the product" and if they just say "yes" (no proof needed, and they always say yes) they deny my claim. I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Maybe I need to find a different bank?
- bawolff 3y ago
  > I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Nor should you quite frankly. Kids buying stupid things is not the same as fraud.
  - Yiin 3y ago
    I'd assume in this case the fraud is not getting the minecraft account for advertised price and/or abusing the credit card info afterwards.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      Exactly. If I had run the card myself in this case, it would not have changed. The dude took the money and ran, never delivered anything
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Perhaps you missed the word "scammer" in my comment? I'm glad you weren't the person deciding on my case. It has nothing to do with the fact that my kid stole my card. The scammer who made the charge was committing text book fraud[1] [1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
- itslennysfault 3y ago
  I've done several chargebacks and never had an issue (with Chase). $500 for items stolen off my porch. So they WERE delivered, but I didn't receive the item. Over $1,000 for a hotel I booked and they wouldn't let me reduce my 5 day reservation by 1 day (the first day because I realized I couldn't get there on the expected day). I went back and forth between the booking website and the hotel 3 times each with them both telling me only the other could change the dates. So, I charged back the whole stay and found a different hotel for my updated timeline.
- joemi 3y ago
  That's not how chargebacks work at all in my experience, from the point of view of the company getting charged-back. I worked for a indie small retail store that also sells online, and I was the guy the owner would give the chargeback notices to and was told to "figure it out". No matter whether a chargeback for an in-store charge or an online order, the credit card company never once granted it the store's favor in all the times I tried. Further they require a lot of proof, more proof than we could actually provide. For weborders, simply showing them the weborder and the tracking info was not enough. They needed _proof_ that what was ordered was what was sent, which we couldn't provide because we weren't taking photos/video of us packing the products. For chargebacks on in-store purchases, it was just as burdensome to present proof. I even had one time when the customer emailed saying she did a chargeback by accident, and I provided that email and what records of the sale I had from the POS system, and the chargeback still went through. (Also, a bit of a side-point: The chargeback notices always had a VERY short window during which you were allowed to contest them. In most cases we had about 5 days to respond, but sometimes the notice wasn't delivered until after the respond-by date.)
- doh 3y ago
  This is why I pay almost exclusively with Amex. They do contact a vendor and sometimes the vendor tries to fight it, but if I reopen the dispute, I always get my money back (and I dispute a lot of transactions). I have the opposite experience with Mastercard. Of the dozen or so disputes across 5 cards I had over the years I essentially lost them all. Visa is somewhere in the middle. They tend to side with customer but also will investigate thoroughly.
danielfoster 3y ago
The claim was $700.
- nathanfig 3y ago
  Whoa, was this for multiple parties or a month long stay or something?
- hipadev23 3y ago
  how did you pay $700 for internet at any speed? was this a cruse ship?

freedomben 3y ago

Hasn't worked for me. Chargebacks are pretty much non-existent. The bank will just contact the vendor, ask them if they delivered "the product" and if they just say "yes" (no proof needed, and they always say yes) they deny my claim. I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Maybe I need to find a different bank?

bawolff 3y ago
> I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Nor should you quite frankly. Kids buying stupid things is not the same as fraud.
- Yiin 3y ago
  I'd assume in this case the fraud is not getting the minecraft account for advertised price and/or abusing the credit card info afterwards.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Exactly. If I had run the card myself in this case, it would not have changed. The dude took the money and ran, never delivered anything
- freedomben 3y ago
  Perhaps you missed the word "scammer" in my comment? I'm glad you weren't the person deciding on my case. It has nothing to do with the fact that my kid stole my card. The scammer who made the charge was committing text book fraud[1] [1] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
itslennysfault 3y ago
I've done several chargebacks and never had an issue (with Chase). $500 for items stolen off my porch. So they WERE delivered, but I didn't receive the item. Over $1,000 for a hotel I booked and they wouldn't let me reduce my 5 day reservation by 1 day (the first day because I realized I couldn't get there on the expected day). I went back and forth between the booking website and the hotel 3 times each with them both telling me only the other could change the dates. So, I charged back the whole stay and found a different hotel for my updated timeline.
joemi 3y ago
That's not how chargebacks work at all in my experience, from the point of view of the company getting charged-back. I worked for a indie small retail store that also sells online, and I was the guy the owner would give the chargeback notices to and was told to "figure it out". No matter whether a chargeback for an in-store charge or an online order, the credit card company never once granted it the store's favor in all the times I tried. Further they require a lot of proof, more proof than we could actually provide. For weborders, simply showing them the weborder and the tracking info was not enough. They needed _proof_ that what was ordered was what was sent, which we couldn't provide because we weren't taking photos/video of us packing the products. For chargebacks on in-store purchases, it was just as burdensome to present proof. I even had one time when the customer emailed saying she did a chargeback by accident, and I provided that email and what records of the sale I had from the POS system, and the chargeback still went through. (Also, a bit of a side-point: The chargeback notices always had a VERY short window during which you were allowed to contest them. In most cases we had about 5 days to respond, but sometimes the notice wasn't delivered until after the respond-by date.)
doh 3y ago
This is why I pay almost exclusively with Amex. They do contact a vendor and sometimes the vendor tries to fight it, but if I reopen the dispute, I always get my money back (and I dispute a lot of transactions). I have the opposite experience with Mastercard. Of the dozen or so disputes across 5 cards I had over the years I essentially lost them all. Visa is somewhere in the middle. They tend to side with customer but also will investigate thoroughly.

danielfoster 3y ago

The claim was $700.

nathanfig 3y ago
Whoa, was this for multiple parties or a month long stay or something?
hipadev23 3y ago
how did you pay $700 for internet at any speed? was this a cruse ship?