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These are almost all reasonable... // Unlocking the doors... The reason they auto-close again is (presumably) because with a remote control it's very easy to

These are almost all reasonable... // Unlocking the doors... The reason they auto-close again is (presumably) because with a remote control it's very easy to accidentally unlock either with the keys in your pocket or because kids are playing with them. You don't want the car parked unlocked all week w/o you knowing if that happens. // Closing the trunk I think this is a combination of "why is my rear hatch door automatic now" and "why does it move slowly." The answer to the former I think is so you can open your trunk remotely and then grab and carry the stuff, and also to enable the short/weaker folks to operate the taller hatch door (vs a lower-trunk, which isn't what you have...) And then the reason the automatic hatch closes slowly is to not injure you or your child if you happen to not get out of the way quickly enough. // Starting the engine I think that audio-ding exists to alert you if a child has touched the start button, which they can obviously do with key-less ignition. // Using your turn signals This is the one that sounds truly wrong - if your car alerts you of adjacent vehicles when it shouldn't, (a) you can probably turn off that assist and (b) you should tell the company because it literally sounds like a bug. // Coming to a full stop Ditto for hands on the wheel during stop - sounds like a bug. // The goddamn tires themselves Yes sounds like you have flawed pressure sensors, go take the car to the dealer.

mastazi 3y ago
I stopped paying attention to the alert sounds because they can be triggered for so many reasons and finding out why the sound is playing every time, would mean that I would be constantly distracted while driving. So, ignoring the warnings is actually the safer option in my case (2023 Toyota)
- xyzelement 3y ago
  Funny, I have a '21 and find it reasonable.
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Johnny555 3y ago
And this one makes perfect sense: But, only if you put it in neutral first, refrain from even thinking about touching the accelerator pedal, and fully depress the clutch (even though you just put it in fucking neutral) I always put the car in neutral and press the clutch, before trying to start it, so wouldn't even notice if the car enforced that... my car only enforces that the clutch be pushed down, but taking it out of gear is a good best practice for extra redundancy, for instance to protect against the case where the clutch hydraulic cylinder had a leak so the clutch didn't fully disengage)
terryf 3y ago
Uh, none of these are good reasons. At best they are extremely rare and weird edge cases and good UX is not making the weird edge cases dominate the experience. I mean, how likely is it that you are in the car, NOT sitting in the front seat and a kid is sitting in the front seat and fiddling with the starter knob? I mean, even if they press the start button, then the car won't start unless you've also pressed the brake pedal? And if you're not sitting in the car while the kid is playing in it, then ... the beep does nothing anyway? Really, the constant beeping and maniacally locking the doors all the time is ridiculous. Also, can anyone explain why in the US if I click unlock on the remote, it just unlocks the front door? This keeps happening on rental cars. You have to click twice on unlock to get all the doors to open. Of course if I want to put something in the back seat, that means first breaking my fingers while pulling on the handle, then cursing and clicking the open button the remote 10 times to makes sure the idiotic system has unlocked the doors. Which I wanted it to do in the first place. Really, the author of the article is 100% correct. The UX on most new mid-range cars is ridiculously bad.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  // At best they are extremely rare and weird edge cases and good UX ... how likely is it that you are in the car, NOT sitting in the front seat and a kid is sitting in the front seat ... I mean, even if they press the start button, then the car won't start unless you've also pressed the brake pedal? "Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids." But seriously, this happens all the time - I am taking something out of the trunk or taking the baby out of the rear seat, meanwhile my toddler jumps into the driver's seat to play around with the steering wheel. 20% of the times he does that, he's gonna hit the big blue start button. I hear it because I am right outside the car, and it matters because this turns on the electrical system so leaving it that way will drain the battery. // Really, the constant beeping and maniacally locking the doors all the time is ridiculous. You can turn most of that off, and if you're doing normal things like starting the car the right way, you never hear them. EG, I only hear that beep when the toddler does his thing or on the very rare occasions when I intentionally turn on the electrical system w/o starting the engine. // Also, can anyone explain why in the US if I click unlock on the remote, it just unlocks the front door? Sure. I relate to this use-case less personally but it's a safety feature for when you're parked somewhere desolate and dark. The idea is that by unlocking only the driver door, you create less room for someone to jump into the car from the other doors and carjack you. Like I said, not something I encounter but I suppose it got created for a reason. It's also a thing you can turn off. Here's the instructions for Toyota[1]. It's also obviously a muscle memory for cars you own, where you press once or twice depending on which doors you want to open. // Really, the author of the article is 100% correct. The UX on most new mid-range cars is ridiculously bad The author reports a couple of things that sound like straight up BUGS and I pointed those out as things he should really talk to a dealer about because they are so dumb that it might just be his car specifically. The rest of them and the ones you listed - are very reasonable features and sane defaults as I described. You may not be used to them in rental cars and obviously you aren't going to fiddle with the settings in those cars, but if this was your car you'd either turn them off, adjust your style to match the device (ie - what ARE you doing that you're getting that beeping all the time?) or maybe your life will evolve to a place where you appreciate some of these kid-focused features more. [1] https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/remote-2-press-unlock.1715498/ https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/remote-2-press-unlock.1...
pixl97 3y ago
Heh, what would be funny is if we asked the op why they needed a new car and they were like "Oh, I got over into another car". I do have some complaints about modern cars, but damn, the safety features have saved my ass multiple times. Backup cameras and sonic warning systems are great. I've had people come out of left field at high speed in parking lots when I'm stuck between someones mega vehicles. The system watching from the rear can see what I can't. The turn signals while getting over (and lane detection in my car) is highly useful, especially in the multilane interstates where some jackwagon decides to do a multilane pass on the far right on the other side of a semi and then fly into the middle lane in one swoop while I'm attempting to get in the middle lane from the fast lane.
bigstrat2003 3y ago
> This is the one that sounds truly wrong - if your car alerts you of adjacent vehicles when it shouldn't, (a) you can probably turn off that assist and (b) you should tell the company because it literally sounds like a bug. This is the one which I empathized with, because it happens to me all the time (2022 Mazda CX-30). The "car next to you" warning doesn't come on randomly or anything, it's that the software can't distinguish between the scenario when I'm driving straight and about to make a lane change, or when I'm turning at an intersection and there's a car in the turn lane next to me. It is admittedly annoying that the car beeps at me in the latter scenario, but I have to imagine that it's hard to distinguish between the two.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  I am trying to figure out why this doesn't happen in my car or happens naturally enough that it doesn't bother me. I have to keep an eye out for it.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Might just be that you are the rare one actually using the turn signals silencing the warning:)
    - bigstrat2003 3y ago
      You've misunderstood what we're talking about. Using the turn signal is what triggers the warning in this case. The car is correctly detecting that there's a car in your blind spot, but it incorrectly interprets the turn signal as "I'm going to change lanes" rather than "I'm making a turn".
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        I see, sorry
Tao3300 3y ago
> These are almost all reasonable These are all almost reasonable.
nikanj 3y ago
> This is the one that sounds truly wrong - if your car alerts you of adjacent vehicles when it shouldn't, (a) you can probably turn off that assist and (b) you should tell the company because it literally sounds like a bug. My vocabulary fails to adequately convey how useless that bug report would be. Who would you even contact to report the issue?
- xyzelement 3y ago
  // Who would you even contact to report the issue? The dealer.

mastazi 3y ago

I stopped paying attention to the alert sounds because they can be triggered for so many reasons and finding out why the sound is playing every time, would mean that I would be constantly distracted while driving. So, ignoring the warnings is actually the safer option in my case (2023 Toyota)

xyzelement 3y ago
Funny, I have a '21 and find it reasonable.

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Johnny555 3y ago

And this one makes perfect sense: But, only if you put it in neutral first, refrain from even thinking about touching the accelerator pedal, and fully depress the clutch (even though you just put it in fucking neutral) I always put the car in neutral and press the clutch, before trying to start it, so wouldn't even notice if the car enforced that... my car only enforces that the clutch be pushed down, but taking it out of gear is a good best practice for extra redundancy, for instance to protect against the case where the clutch hydraulic cylinder had a leak so the clutch didn't fully disengage)

terryf 3y ago

Uh, none of these are good reasons. At best they are extremely rare and weird edge cases and good UX is not making the weird edge cases dominate the experience. I mean, how likely is it that you are in the car, NOT sitting in the front seat and a kid is sitting in the front seat and fiddling with the starter knob? I mean, even if they press the start button, then the car won't start unless you've also pressed the brake pedal? And if you're not sitting in the car while the kid is playing in it, then ... the beep does nothing anyway? Really, the constant beeping and maniacally locking the doors all the time is ridiculous. Also, can anyone explain why in the US if I click unlock on the remote, it just unlocks the front door? This keeps happening on rental cars. You have to click twice on unlock to get all the doors to open. Of course if I want to put something in the back seat, that means first breaking my fingers while pulling on the handle, then cursing and clicking the open button the remote 10 times to makes sure the idiotic system has unlocked the doors. Which I wanted it to do in the first place. Really, the author of the article is 100% correct. The UX on most new mid-range cars is ridiculously bad.

xyzelement 3y ago
// At best they are extremely rare and weird edge cases and good UX ... how likely is it that you are in the car, NOT sitting in the front seat and a kid is sitting in the front seat ... I mean, even if they press the start button, then the car won't start unless you've also pressed the brake pedal? "Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids." But seriously, this happens all the time - I am taking something out of the trunk or taking the baby out of the rear seat, meanwhile my toddler jumps into the driver's seat to play around with the steering wheel. 20% of the times he does that, he's gonna hit the big blue start button. I hear it because I am right outside the car, and it matters because this turns on the electrical system so leaving it that way will drain the battery. // Really, the constant beeping and maniacally locking the doors all the time is ridiculous. You can turn most of that off, and if you're doing normal things like starting the car the right way, you never hear them. EG, I only hear that beep when the toddler does his thing or on the very rare occasions when I intentionally turn on the electrical system w/o starting the engine. // Also, can anyone explain why in the US if I click unlock on the remote, it just unlocks the front door? Sure. I relate to this use-case less personally but it's a safety feature for when you're parked somewhere desolate and dark. The idea is that by unlocking only the driver door, you create less room for someone to jump into the car from the other doors and carjack you. Like I said, not something I encounter but I suppose it got created for a reason. It's also a thing you can turn off. Here's the instructions for Toyota[1]. It's also obviously a muscle memory for cars you own, where you press once or twice depending on which doors you want to open. // Really, the author of the article is 100% correct. The UX on most new mid-range cars is ridiculously bad The author reports a couple of things that sound like straight up BUGS and I pointed those out as things he should really talk to a dealer about because they are so dumb that it might just be his car specifically. The rest of them and the ones you listed - are very reasonable features and sane defaults as I described. You may not be used to them in rental cars and obviously you aren't going to fiddle with the settings in those cars, but if this was your car you'd either turn them off, adjust your style to match the device (ie - what ARE you doing that you're getting that beeping all the time?) or maybe your life will evolve to a place where you appreciate some of these kid-focused features more. [1] https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/remote-2-press-unlock.1715498/ https://www.toyotanation.com/threads/remote-2-press-unlock.1...

pixl97 3y ago

Heh, what would be funny is if we asked the op why they needed a new car and they were like "Oh, I got over into another car". I do have some complaints about modern cars, but damn, the safety features have saved my ass multiple times. Backup cameras and sonic warning systems are great. I've had people come out of left field at high speed in parking lots when I'm stuck between someones mega vehicles. The system watching from the rear can see what I can't. The turn signals while getting over (and lane detection in my car) is highly useful, especially in the multilane interstates where some jackwagon decides to do a multilane pass on the far right on the other side of a semi and then fly into the middle lane in one swoop while I'm attempting to get in the middle lane from the fast lane.

bigstrat2003 3y ago

> This is the one that sounds truly wrong - if your car alerts you of adjacent vehicles when it shouldn't, (a) you can probably turn off that assist and (b) you should tell the company because it literally sounds like a bug. This is the one which I empathized with, because it happens to me all the time (2022 Mazda CX-30). The "car next to you" warning doesn't come on randomly or anything, it's that the software can't distinguish between the scenario when I'm driving straight and about to make a lane change, or when I'm turning at an intersection and there's a car in the turn lane next to me. It is admittedly annoying that the car beeps at me in the latter scenario, but I have to imagine that it's hard to distinguish between the two.

xyzelement 3y ago
I am trying to figure out why this doesn't happen in my car or happens naturally enough that it doesn't bother me. I have to keep an eye out for it.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Might just be that you are the rare one actually using the turn signals silencing the warning:)
  - bigstrat2003 3y ago
    You've misunderstood what we're talking about. Using the turn signal is what triggers the warning in this case. The car is correctly detecting that there's a car in your blind spot, but it incorrectly interprets the turn signal as "I'm going to change lanes" rather than "I'm making a turn".
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      I see, sorry

Tao3300 3y ago

> These are almost all reasonable These are all almost reasonable.

nikanj 3y ago

> This is the one that sounds truly wrong - if your car alerts you of adjacent vehicles when it shouldn't, (a) you can probably turn off that assist and (b) you should tell the company because it literally sounds like a bug. My vocabulary fails to adequately convey how useless that bug report would be. Who would you even contact to report the issue?

xyzelement 3y ago
// Who would you even contact to report the issue? The dealer.