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What I don't understand is why Windows continues to ignore mobile. OK sure, you missed the start, but I think there is plenty to room for a 3rd seat at the tabl

What I don't understand is why Windows continues to ignore mobile. OK sure, you missed the start, but I think there is plenty to room for a 3rd seat at the table. They just don't want to do the hard work and grind it out. Sure 10 years of hard grind, but mobile is not going anywhere. Build a tight integration with the online stuff the are trying to push. Bing, AI, Office Online. Enterprise will eat it up! They could just give the phones out free with your Microsoft online life subscription. Its like nobody at windows really gives a fuck any more.

tempodox 3y ago
All they can manage is to slap a bunch of ads on everything. That probably already counts as hard grind.
belugacat 3y ago
“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products.”
- polyomino 3y ago
  Says the guy who copied everything from Xerox
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  Ironic to post that quote when talking about the one area where they did have both vision and taste, but not the wherewithal to follow through.
AlexandrB 3y ago
> Its like nobody at windows really gives a fuck any more. I think this has been the case for a while. They're on their, what, fifth[1] UI framework since Windows 7? Most of the innovation seems to be in monetization and finding ways to install Edge or make it the default browser. [1] https://www.irrlicht3d.org/index.php?t=1626 https://www.irrlicht3d.org/index.php?t=1626
paulryanrogers 3y ago
Ignore? They had Windows Mobile, bought Nokia, tried Windows Phone. Devs didn't want to write apps for three platforms. So so have since died.
- jay_kyburz 3y ago
  My recollection is that they pulled the plug before anybody had the time to finish an app. Things take time. Users and Developers both want a nice solid foundation to build on. Big tech need to stop thinking 1 year out and look 10 years out if you ask me.
  - vineyardmike 3y ago
    It had been years. They pulled the plug in like 2017. It was a decade after the iPhone. They didn’t think 1y out. And big tech did their duty and built apps for it (like Snapchat, Google, Yelp) because some marginal number of users were there. But the long tail of apps weren’t there.
    - jay_kyburz 3y ago
      Yes, after I posted my comment I went and read a nice summary and timeline on Wikipedia. I still think they could have been more patient, if they had kept Nokia, and had phones next sitting next to their laptops in the big brand stores, I think they could have broken in. I think they still could. I was reading that in 2017, the last version had some "convergent" stuff where you could dock your phone and plugin a keyboard an monitor and it would act like a full PC. Sounds awesome. I would have doubled down on that. Make phones real computers that you carry with you. Not dumb appliances. Be as different as possible. Like the Nintendo strategy in the console wars. Don't compete on simplicity and usability, compete on power and customization. Something like that.

tempodox 3y ago

All they can manage is to slap a bunch of ads on everything. That probably already counts as hard grind.

belugacat 3y ago

“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products.”

polyomino 3y ago
Says the guy who copied everything from Xerox
eightysixfour 3y ago
Ironic to post that quote when talking about the one area where they did have both vision and taste, but not the wherewithal to follow through.

AlexandrB 3y ago

> Its like nobody at windows really gives a fuck any more. I think this has been the case for a while. They're on their, what, fifth[1] UI framework since Windows 7? Most of the innovation seems to be in monetization and finding ways to install Edge or make it the default browser. [1] https://www.irrlicht3d.org/index.php?t=1626 https://www.irrlicht3d.org/index.php?t=1626

paulryanrogers 3y ago

Ignore? They had Windows Mobile, bought Nokia, tried Windows Phone. Devs didn't want to write apps for three platforms. So so have since died.

jay_kyburz 3y ago
My recollection is that they pulled the plug before anybody had the time to finish an app. Things take time. Users and Developers both want a nice solid foundation to build on. Big tech need to stop thinking 1 year out and look 10 years out if you ask me.
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  It had been years. They pulled the plug in like 2017. It was a decade after the iPhone. They didn’t think 1y out. And big tech did their duty and built apps for it (like Snapchat, Google, Yelp) because some marginal number of users were there. But the long tail of apps weren’t there.
  - jay_kyburz 3y ago
    Yes, after I posted my comment I went and read a nice summary and timeline on Wikipedia. I still think they could have been more patient, if they had kept Nokia, and had phones next sitting next to their laptops in the big brand stores, I think they could have broken in. I think they still could. I was reading that in 2017, the last version had some "convergent" stuff where you could dock your phone and plugin a keyboard an monitor and it would act like a full PC. Sounds awesome. I would have doubled down on that. Make phones real computers that you carry with you. Not dumb appliances. Be as different as possible. Like the Nintendo strategy in the console wars. Don't compete on simplicity and usability, compete on power and customization. Something like that.