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I feel like you're right about initial value proposition, but it doesn't seem odd to me at all. There are other things about treating youtube as netflix/hbo/hul

by hau 3y ago

I feel like you're right about initial value proposition, but it doesn't seem odd to me at all. There are other things about treating youtube as netflix/hbo/hulu: - I can't upload random video to the netflix, and I have a certain expectation regarding content there - 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading - I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get a lot of advertisement, because I dared to turn SponsorBlock off. Creators have a very good reason to use this type of ads, and youtube have all responsibility of not providing solutions for this. - I can pay for HBO max and watch Sopranos. On youtube I can pay and content of interest could be deleted next second - I have no idea if my favourite creator was demonetised for DMCA spam by youtube, but I certainly know they are not treated as equal partners in this business in many ways. - Ultimately I pay for content, and subscription guarantees some kind of investment from the platform in acquiring or producing it. Not true for youtube. edit: not saying one should not pay for youtube, but these points are for comparing youtube with established paid platforms. I believe youtube could offer very interesting and fair subscription schemes and conditions in principle.

nharada 3y ago
> content of interest could be deleted next second HBO hasn't exactly been great about this either
- hau 3y ago
  This is a problem on all of these platforms, but to a completely different degree.
  - JAlexoid 3y ago
    Your favourite creator can post a video on Patreon, that you pay for, and immediately remove it. Pointing the finger at YouTube like it's a unique problem is...
    - hau 3y ago
      I'm comparing it with other platforms, which are usually announce removal beforehand. That's it.
      - mvdtnz 3y ago
        I was never notified in advance before Netflix removed The Office UK or People Just Do Nothing? I was in the middle of both of these shows when they were removed.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  That problem is everywhere no matter what service you pay for. The root cause is copyright. Only abolishing copyright will solve that.
iooi 3y ago
I love how there's a perfect counter to every single point you posted. It seems like some people just want to hate. > - I can't upload random video to the netflix, and I have a certain expectation regarding content there That's a bug, not a feature. You're basically restricted to the tastes of Netflix's buyers. > - 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading Then you're watching the wrong videos. Most of the videos that I and my friends watch are high quality, entertaining, and informative. Their creators usually have Patreons making five figures monthly. > - I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get a lot of advertisement, because I dared to turn SponsorBlock off. Creators have a very good reason to use this type of ads, and youtube have all responsibility of not providing solutions for this. You can easily skip these, not sure what the issue is here. > - I can pay for HBO max and watch Sopranos. On youtube I can pay and content of interest could be deleted next second Guessing you started streaming only recently, since Netflix/Hulu/HBO all change their inventory frequently due to licensing. It wasn't long ago that you could watch Sopranos on Amazon. > - I have no idea if my favourite creator was demonetised for DMCA spam by youtube, but I certainly know they are not treated as equal partners in this business in many ways. This isn't a problem with YouTube, it's a problem with the US legal system. > - Ultimately I pay for content, and subscription guarantees some kind of investment from the platform in acquiring or producing it. Not true for youtube. This is your best one, YouTube has created tons of wealth for creators and has cut out tons of the usual Hollywood intermediaries. Additionally, there has never been a greater investment made on storing and distributing video like the one Google made on YouTube.
- fluoridation 3y ago
  >Then you're watching the wrong videos. Re-read the sentence you're replying to. "99% of videos on youtube", not "99% of videos I watch". >You can easily skip these, not sure what the issue is here. You can also ad-block. The issue is that even paying for YouTube isn't enough to not see any ads on YouTube. >Additionally, there has never been a greater investment made on storing and distributing video like the one Google made on YouTube. YouTube merely provides the logistical support. It's not a production company. That is, it doesn't seek out talent to produce content for it. This is the difference the GP is highlighting.
JAlexoid 3y ago
> 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading Then you just use the ad-supported version, which seems to be what suits you. > On youtube I can pay and content of interest could be deleted next second Which online video platform doesn't suffer from that? Sopranos is a core HBO product. YouTube does have YouTube's core content. Non core products get removed off MAX(HBO's new name) all the time. There's literally "Leaving Soon" section in my MAX app.
preciousoo 3y ago
It sounds like you don’t spend a lot of time on YouTube, so spending $x.99 a month wouldn’t make sense. Every user is different
Aunche 3y ago
> I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get a lot of advertisement, because I dared to turn SponsorBlock off. Then don't turn SponsorBlock off? Is Youtube banning that as well? I don't see why they would care.
- blacksmith_tb 3y ago
  They don't seem, to as far as I can tell. I have uBlock origin and Sponsorblock on and now that I've caved for Premium I haven't seen any kind of nagging from YT.

by hau 3y ago

nharada 3y ago

> content of interest could be deleted next second HBO hasn't exactly been great about this either

hau 3y ago
This is a problem on all of these platforms, but to a completely different degree.
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  Your favourite creator can post a video on Patreon, that you pay for, and immediately remove it. Pointing the finger at YouTube like it's a unique problem is...
  - hau 3y ago
    I'm comparing it with other platforms, which are usually announce removal beforehand. That's it.
    - mvdtnz 3y ago
      I was never notified in advance before Netflix removed The Office UK or People Just Do Nothing? I was in the middle of both of these shows when they were removed.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
That problem is everywhere no matter what service you pay for. The root cause is copyright. Only abolishing copyright will solve that.

iooi 3y ago

I love how there's a perfect counter to every single point you posted. It seems like some people just want to hate. > - I can't upload random video to the netflix, and I have a certain expectation regarding content there That's a bug, not a feature. You're basically restricted to the tastes of Netflix's buyers. > - 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading Then you're watching the wrong videos. Most of the videos that I and my friends watch are high quality, entertaining, and informative. Their creators usually have Patreons making five figures monthly. > - I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get a lot of advertisement, because I dared to turn SponsorBlock off. Creators have a very good reason to use this type of ads, and youtube have all responsibility of not providing solutions for this. You can easily skip these, not sure what the issue is here. > - I can pay for HBO max and watch Sopranos. On youtube I can pay and content of interest could be deleted next second Guessing you started streaming only recently, since Netflix/Hulu/HBO all change their inventory frequently due to licensing. It wasn't long ago that you could watch Sopranos on Amazon. > - I have no idea if my favourite creator was demonetised for DMCA spam by youtube, but I certainly know they are not treated as equal partners in this business in many ways. This isn't a problem with YouTube, it's a problem with the US legal system. > - Ultimately I pay for content, and subscription guarantees some kind of investment from the platform in acquiring or producing it. Not true for youtube. This is your best one, YouTube has created tons of wealth for creators and has cut out tons of the usual Hollywood intermediaries. Additionally, there has never been a greater investment made on storing and distributing video like the one Google made on YouTube.

fluoridation 3y ago
>Then you're watching the wrong videos. Re-read the sentence you're replying to. "99% of videos on youtube", not "99% of videos I watch". >You can easily skip these, not sure what the issue is here. You can also ad-block. The issue is that even paying for YouTube isn't enough to not see any ads on YouTube. >Additionally, there has never been a greater investment made on storing and distributing video like the one Google made on YouTube. YouTube merely provides the logistical support. It's not a production company. That is, it doesn't seek out talent to produce content for it. This is the difference the GP is highlighting.

JAlexoid 3y ago

> 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading Then you just use the ad-supported version, which seems to be what suits you. > On youtube I can pay and content of interest could be deleted next second Which online video platform doesn't suffer from that? Sopranos is a core HBO product. YouTube does have YouTube's core content. Non core products get removed off MAX(HBO's new name) all the time. There's literally "Leaving Soon" section in my MAX app.

preciousoo 3y ago

It sounds like you don’t spend a lot of time on YouTube, so spending $x.99 a month wouldn’t make sense. Every user is different

Aunche 3y ago

> I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get a lot of advertisement, because I dared to turn SponsorBlock off. Then don't turn SponsorBlock off? Is Youtube banning that as well? I don't see why they would care.

blacksmith_tb 3y ago
They don't seem, to as far as I can tell. I have uBlock origin and Sponsorblock on and now that I've caved for Premium I haven't seen any kind of nagging from YT.