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Google destroying goodwill with a low-effort rent seeking agenda, after years of effort to extinguish real competiton. Giving money to Google for programmatic

Google destroying goodwill with a low-effort rent seeking agenda, after years of effort to extinguish real competiton. Giving money to Google for programmatic ads ≠ funding creators. Most creators are small and don’t make any real money from YT anymore, and every year fewer and fewer are willing to endure the infinite mystery box of YT moderation and contentID policy.

lamontcg 3y ago
Yeah, if it wasn't run by Google, I'd be more likely to pay for it. And paying for it will result in most of my money going to Google and asshats like xQc even though I'd never willingly watch one of his videos and barely know who he is. And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue. (Not to mention that the ads that Google shows are fucking awful)
- bhelkey 3y ago
  > And paying for it will result in most of my money going to Google and asshats like xQc even though I'd never willingly watch one of his videos and barely know who he is. 55% of the subscription goes to the channels you watch [1]. This money is divided based on your watch time [1]. If you don't watch a channel, none of your subscription pays for that channel. [1] https://support.unionforgamers.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048841911-YouTube-Premium-FAQ#:~:text=How%20is%20the%20subscription%20revenue,so%20there's%20no%20change%20there https://support.unionforgamers.com/hc/en-us/articles/3600488...
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    Uh no, that doesn't say that. > To determine how much subscription revenue each channel receives, YouTube will aggregate viewing data from Premium users to determine a value based on watch time. The word "aggregate" there is particularly important. And: > The exact amount of money you will receive for each minute of YouTube Premium viewer watch time will always vary based on viewing habits, and there are complex aspects of the distribution algorithm that are not disclosed by YouTube That's a very long way from 55% of _my_ subscription going out to the channels that _I_ watch. That would have been a simple thing for them to state, and they certainly didn't state anything close to that. I'm pretty convinced by those statements actually that a good chunk of my subscription would go to xQc and his ilk to keep him on youtube collecting more views since he's more valuable to the platform than anyone that I watch.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  > And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue. Take a look in the mirror. You wrecked those channels. Together with other people who also enjoy those channels but refuse to pay for the entertainment. So creators are forced to seek a wider audience or a more lucrative audience, because the people enjoying their videos also think that they don't deserve to be reimbursed for their work. You're the algorithm.

lamontcg 3y ago

Yeah, if it wasn't run by Google, I'd be more likely to pay for it. And paying for it will result in most of my money going to Google and asshats like xQc even though I'd never willingly watch one of his videos and barely know who he is. And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue. (Not to mention that the ads that Google shows are fucking awful)

bhelkey 3y ago
> And paying for it will result in most of my money going to Google and asshats like xQc even though I'd never willingly watch one of his videos and barely know who he is. 55% of the subscription goes to the channels you watch [1]. This money is divided based on your watch time [1]. If you don't watch a channel, none of your subscription pays for that channel. [1] https://support.unionforgamers.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048841911-YouTube-Premium-FAQ#:~:text=How%20is%20the%20subscription%20revenue,so%20there's%20no%20change%20there https://support.unionforgamers.com/hc/en-us/articles/3600488...
- lamontcg 3y ago
  Uh no, that doesn't say that. > To determine how much subscription revenue each channel receives, YouTube will aggregate viewing data from Premium users to determine a value based on watch time. The word "aggregate" there is particularly important. And: > The exact amount of money you will receive for each minute of YouTube Premium viewer watch time will always vary based on viewing habits, and there are complex aspects of the distribution algorithm that are not disclosed by YouTube That's a very long way from 55% of _my_ subscription going out to the channels that _I_ watch. That would have been a simple thing for them to state, and they certainly didn't state anything close to that. I'm pretty convinced by those statements actually that a good chunk of my subscription would go to xQc and his ilk to keep him on youtube collecting more views since he's more valuable to the platform than anyone that I watch.
carlosjobim 3y ago
> And I've watched the algorithm wreck some youtube channels that I used to enjoy as the creators chase after revenue. Take a look in the mirror. You wrecked those channels. Together with other people who also enjoy those channels but refuse to pay for the entertainment. So creators are forced to seek a wider audience or a more lucrative audience, because the people enjoying their videos also think that they don't deserve to be reimbursed for their work. You're the algorithm.