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> I believe that we have been fortunate that Google's ad business was willing to subsidize it for us for so long with so little required in return. Unfortunatel
by gretch 3y ago
> I believe that we have been fortunate that Google's ad business was willing to subsidize it for us for so long with so little required in return. Unfortunately it appears that possibly the screws are getting turned, and there is less appetite for the subsidy.
Um well no. They still have appetite to support the business with Ads (and they offer a paid version if you don't like Ads).
The thing they no longer have appetite for is people using Ad blockers.
- spaceribs 3y agowell it's not their computer, and I'll run what I want on it (...so far)
- Waterluvian 3y agoI feel this is a perfectly valid response. Equally valid is Google then saying, "well then we don't want to send you bytes."
- LightHugger 3y agoThe endgame here is adblockers that spoof ad views and even sometimes clicks rather than just blocking them. This is very very bad for google if they force adblockers to work like that. People will do it.
- slimsag 3y agoAnother possible endgame is all YouTube videos are livestreams and you cannot skip on the timeline, with ads inserted directly into the stream. In that world, the best an adblocker would be able to do is show a blank screen for 30s while it waits for the real video's frames to resume.
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoIf YT only live streams content, content caching services will strip out the ads, and play with a delay. Youtube will never monetise tech savvy users and should just stop trying. We only need to be slipperier than the average gazelle and the lions will never catch us.
- gretch 3y ago> content caching services will strip out the ads, and play with a delay. To achieve this, you’ll need computation, storage, and bandwidth on the scale of YouTube. Do you think whoever offers that service will do so without ads or payment? Your whole scheme is based on hoping “kind” and knowledgeable volunteers do free labor for you. Good luck. I for one am tech savvy and am happy to pay $20 for the ad free service. Pretty reasonable trade if you ask me.
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- fayalalebrun 3y agoIf you play with a delay, then why would you need any more storage than what is required to play a single video? Personally I would not pay any amount to Google, as I believe it is unethical to support such a company. Google has a monopoly in several markets, to the point of being an unavoidable part of our lives. No single company should have that much power. Especially since due to its nature as a for-profit corporation, Google's interests are at odds with yours.
- JAlexoid 3y agoI have a great solution in that case - just block all Google's services and don't use them. Just don't complain when more and more IT news publications put up a paywall, because ad revenue isn't enough to pay your salary. As for myself - most of my subscription price goes to the creators and I'm happy with that.
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- huehehue 3y ago> all YouTube videos are livestreams and you cannot skip on the timeline, with ads inserted directly into the stream. So we really are back to reinventing cable TV
- slimsag 3y agoNow that I think about it, they could implement timeline skipping support on the server. Select a time, the server alters your personal livestream and can still inject ads at any moment
- candiodari 3y agoLuckily now with AI this is not the problem it once was.
- slimsag 3y agoHow will AI help you? Make the screen blank for 30s while waiting for ad to end?
- candiodari 3y agoRight now it will tell you what the ads are. So, if the video is played on a delay, it can remove ads, even baked into the video. And, coming up in foundation models right now, it can remake videos to remove ads entirely, making a new video with just the content. Perhaps it'll be a feature of the RTX 6090. I bet the hallucinations will be hilarious.
- LightHugger 3y agoNope, twitch does this and we already have working adblockers for it. The twitch adblockers use a network of proxies.
- chess_buster 3y agoAnd the business buy the ads which get seen by no one, yet still Google makes money, just like with their other ads.
- fluoridation 3y agoOr, the businesses realize what's going on and they stop buying ads from Google, since nobody sees them anyway, and Google makes less money. Google isn't holding all the cards like they might think, here.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoLet them stop sending us bytes then. Let them charge everyone for access.
- mvdtnz 3y agoWell it's their server, they will serve what they want to whom they want.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoWe're okay with that. They're free to return 402 Payment Required. If they try to use my computer to display ads, I will block them. If they try to detect my blocking, I will stop them.
- eddythompson80 3y agoso you get your "402 Payment Required".
- matheusmoreira 3y agoNot really. They insist on sending it to me for free with ads included.
- mvdtnz 3y agoLiterally this entire thing is about Youtube refusing to send the video to non-premium users who are blocking ads. Do you even know what you're commenting on?
- matheusmoreira 3y agoIt's actually about a silly arms race with uBlock Origin which they'll lose because we're the ones in control of the client. It's only a matter of time before they fix the "YouTube can detect uBlock Origin" bug.
- eddythompson80 3y agoI hate to tell you who is in control of chrome. It wasn’t too long ago that Google announced changes to chrome that ublock origin thought would completely stop it from working. They found a way, but nothing stopping another future change that makes it much harder. Also they just need to start delivering YouTube player as a wasm binary blob.
- trothamel 3y agoDon't they give you that choice, with Youtube Premium?
- matheusmoreira 3y agoStill has ads hardcoded in videos. Still has Google surveillance capitalism. Still sends other people videos for free which means you're paying for the privilege of segmenting yourself into the upper echelons of the market where the people with disposable income are, driving the value of your attention up and making them want to advertise to you even more.
- freshchilled 3y ago> Still has ads hardcoded in videos. You're talking about when the content creator puts an ad in their video? What would you have Google do about that?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago> You're talking about when the content creator puts an ad in their video? Correct. > What would you have Google do about that? Block them. Just like we do.
- eddythompson80 3y agoNetflix should also block movies with product placement. /s On a more serious note, that would be google editorializing the content which I don't want. If a channel is advertising their upcoming tour, or advertising Patreon or Nebula, should google block them too? Do you want google's content policy to prevent users from mentioning or showing any product? You're free to only watch creators that don't put ads in their videos you know.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago> Netflix should also block movies with product placement. Absolutely. One day someone much smarter than me will create an AI ad blocker that removes that sort of thing in real time. > On a more serious note, that would be google editorializing the content which I don't want. Have users collectively catalogue segments of the videos then. Pretty much what Sponsor Block does. I'm sure the highly paid engineers at Google can figure it out. > If a channel is advertising their upcoming tour, or advertising Patreon or Nebula, should google block them too? I don't consider those things advertising. I think they're just information. If I'm watching a video from a creator whose work I enjoy, I want to know where to find more stuff. Getting paid deals from third parties and advertising their products on your video is a completely different matter. I didn't open the video to watch that. > You're free to only watch creators that don't put ads in their videos you know. God people repeat this like it's a mantra. I'm free to do any number of things. Including blocking the segments I don't like and watching only the parts I care about. Why can't people accept that? Besides, it's not like the videos come with a warning that tells you you're gonna be advertised to. The transition to the ad is abrupt and sudden on purpose so you can't even react.
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoAm I breaching Yotube's TOS if I look away and / or mute their ads? No. So what's the difference If I automate that? Plenty of people won't, and they will still make money. Google can't force people to watch their ads, unless they hold us down and pry open our eyelids, A Clockwork Orange style. Shit, I shouldn't have given our digital overlords any ideas.
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- gretch 3y agoOkay to all of that - the thing we’re talking about here is them not serving you the video. No one’s forcing you to watch any ads, or videos in the first place. So dramatic with the “I need Television without ads or it’s literally a dystopia” takes