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Once they completely block ad blockers, it will be my last time watching YouTube, I guess. There are some diamonds in the rough, but most of the content seems

Once they completely block ad blockers, it will be my last time watching YouTube, I guess. There are some diamonds in the rough, but most of the content seems like a big ad to me anyways. Would love to see a creator network spawn out of this where I could support which channels I wanted to directly, ad free of course.

spiderice 3y ago
> Would love to see a creator network spawn out of this where I could support which channels I wanted to directly, ad free of course. Aren’t you basically describing Nebula?
dewey 3y ago
Wouldn’t you get the same benefit by singing up to YouTube premium? Creators you watch will get a higher share of money from premium subscribers.
- BiteCode_dev 3y ago
  If google could just take our money and give us videos in exchange yes. But unfortunately, they still suck all your data and sell it to third parties. It's even worse if you pay, because if you sign in into your youtube account on the offical app, your entire phone is now linked to your a account even if you didn't link it before, with all the data in it. If you are not careful, your entire agenda and calendar immediatly exfiltrate. Plus google gets your credit card, which means it will now link orders and data from other services using the same card number with its partners and get even more data. After paying of course, you still can get your accounts locked out for obscure reasons with no appeal, and despite being a customer, have zero service support. Google is not a respectful company. And given what we know about the PRISM program, centralizing all this data in there is not good for democracy either.
  - dewey 3y ago
    > But unfortunately, they still suck all your data and sell it to third parties. They don't sell your data to third parties, they do advertising for third parties on their data.
    - Crash0v3rid3 3y ago
      I can't believe people on HN are still confused by this concept.
  - mikae1 3y ago
    Thanks. This is exactly what I think every time someone says "just buy premium". There's a reason I don't have a Google account.
    - cesarb 3y ago
      And even if you do have a Google account, you might not want to log into YouTube with it; for instance, I recall reading that logging into YouTube with your Google account required you to put your real name into it, and if for some reason Google decided that your real name isn't your real name, you could lose access to your whole Google account, including more important services like Gmail and Google Talk.
- silisili 3y ago
  I don't watch nearly enough videos for that to be worth it. Probably less than 5/month. I realize that I may be in the minority, but pay-per-video or pay-per-channel is a better value prop for me.
- indymike 3y ago
  > Wouldn’t you get the same benefit by singing up to YouTube premium? I'm a YT premium user. I'm always shocked when I see how many ads are forced on non-premium users.
  - dewey 3y ago
    You mean the sponsored segments that creators encode into their videos? I believe I haven't seen any ads that came from Google as a Premium subscriber. I guess YouTube could offer some way for creators to deliver two different videos to regular and premium subscribers so they could even take out sponsored segments? Assuming this would be a non-trivial balance act because decently sized niche channels could probably make a big chunk from a big sponsor vs. free users seeing ads.
pajko 3y ago
Just switch to FreeTube, or NewPipe/LibreTube if on Android. For Youtube Music there's Harmony or ViMusic. Edit: also LibRedirect is a useful extension.
- LikesPwsh 3y ago
  Those are just as adversarial as adblockers. If Google ever makes a serious attempt at breaking compatibility like they're doing now (or we've seen from reddit/twitter), you'll see degraded ux.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  These apps still play the same cat and mouse game as uBlock and the likes. We don't know how long these will last. YouTube is getting more aggressive against these too, and youtube-dl.
spadufed 3y ago
I've been saying for forever that things like creator coops and PeerTube are a match made in heaven. A major barrier right now is that services like Nebula are rolling their own software and without interoperability the lack of any sort of discovery algorithm is a clear failing. With interoperability, however, things could return to a place where word of mouth across a distributed set of social networks is a reasonable way to build an audience. Long term I think the return of content discovery algorithms are inevitable but in the form of open and tweakable algorithms where engagement does not necessarily mean ad views.
duiker101 3y ago
the only thing I find myself relying on for youtube lately is music. Their suggestion algorithm is actually pretty decent and I like how their generated playlists suggest music I like, and once in a while will slip in something new and similar.

spiderice 3y ago

> Would love to see a creator network spawn out of this where I could support which channels I wanted to directly, ad free of course. Aren’t you basically describing Nebula?

dewey 3y ago

Wouldn’t you get the same benefit by singing up to YouTube premium? Creators you watch will get a higher share of money from premium subscribers.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
If google could just take our money and give us videos in exchange yes. But unfortunately, they still suck all your data and sell it to third parties. It's even worse if you pay, because if you sign in into your youtube account on the offical app, your entire phone is now linked to your a account even if you didn't link it before, with all the data in it. If you are not careful, your entire agenda and calendar immediatly exfiltrate. Plus google gets your credit card, which means it will now link orders and data from other services using the same card number with its partners and get even more data. After paying of course, you still can get your accounts locked out for obscure reasons with no appeal, and despite being a customer, have zero service support. Google is not a respectful company. And given what we know about the PRISM program, centralizing all this data in there is not good for democracy either.
- dewey 3y ago
  > But unfortunately, they still suck all your data and sell it to third parties. They don't sell your data to third parties, they do advertising for third parties on their data.
  - Crash0v3rid3 3y ago
    I can't believe people on HN are still confused by this concept.
- mikae1 3y ago
  Thanks. This is exactly what I think every time someone says "just buy premium". There's a reason I don't have a Google account.
  - cesarb 3y ago
    And even if you do have a Google account, you might not want to log into YouTube with it; for instance, I recall reading that logging into YouTube with your Google account required you to put your real name into it, and if for some reason Google decided that your real name isn't your real name, you could lose access to your whole Google account, including more important services like Gmail and Google Talk.
silisili 3y ago
I don't watch nearly enough videos for that to be worth it. Probably less than 5/month. I realize that I may be in the minority, but pay-per-video or pay-per-channel is a better value prop for me.
indymike 3y ago
> Wouldn’t you get the same benefit by singing up to YouTube premium? I'm a YT premium user. I'm always shocked when I see how many ads are forced on non-premium users.
- dewey 3y ago
  You mean the sponsored segments that creators encode into their videos? I believe I haven't seen any ads that came from Google as a Premium subscriber. I guess YouTube could offer some way for creators to deliver two different videos to regular and premium subscribers so they could even take out sponsored segments? Assuming this would be a non-trivial balance act because decently sized niche channels could probably make a big chunk from a big sponsor vs. free users seeing ads.

pajko 3y ago

Just switch to FreeTube, or NewPipe/LibreTube if on Android. For Youtube Music there's Harmony or ViMusic. Edit: also LibRedirect is a useful extension.

LikesPwsh 3y ago
Those are just as adversarial as adblockers. If Google ever makes a serious attempt at breaking compatibility like they're doing now (or we've seen from reddit/twitter), you'll see degraded ux.
GuB-42 3y ago
These apps still play the same cat and mouse game as uBlock and the likes. We don't know how long these will last. YouTube is getting more aggressive against these too, and youtube-dl.

spadufed 3y ago

I've been saying for forever that things like creator coops and PeerTube are a match made in heaven. A major barrier right now is that services like Nebula are rolling their own software and without interoperability the lack of any sort of discovery algorithm is a clear failing. With interoperability, however, things could return to a place where word of mouth across a distributed set of social networks is a reasonable way to build an audience. Long term I think the return of content discovery algorithms are inevitable but in the form of open and tweakable algorithms where engagement does not necessarily mean ad views.

duiker101 3y ago

the only thing I find myself relying on for youtube lately is music. Their suggestion algorithm is actually pretty decent and I like how their generated playlists suggest music I like, and once in a while will slip in something new and similar.