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Nobody here is talking about collecting personal information except you either. The goal is simply to track the amount of sharing various pages experience.

atoav 3y ago
And how do you track that amount of data without collecting the datum of which user shared what to whom? Sure you could anonymize it etc., but by that point you already processed data that has been ruled personal data without consent. The truth is, that we had some rulings on what is considered personal data and what isn't and IP adresses, even parts of them can be regarded as such. Now you and I might think this is silly etc., but if we write software for corporations that have to pay fines as a feaction of their total revenue not knowing that can easily ruin our lives. And I am merely reflecting the way how these laws have been interpreted and ruled on so far in the comment section for an article on, well another ruling by a court. Legal reality, like physical reality doesn't go away if you close your eyes.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  For one, it'd be a potential way to maintain a sophisticated full-conversion lifetime A/B testing setup with no PII of any sort ever hashed/retained. No IP addresses required, or anything else.
  - atoav 3y ago
    Just counting the times someone requested that particular UUID could indeed work — provided you don't store which IP requested that UUID-endpoint anywhere on your webserver or elsewhere, because then we could infer that relationship again. So this sounds like a good idea. Is this what you originally meant? Nontheless I hope you can see in which way the whole thing is still deeply connected to the legal question of how one can still learn about their service without tracking single users when they don't give their consent, maybe now even via DNT header.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Yes, you get more persistent attribution data for ad campaigns/whatever without consuming any personal information.
funcDropShadow 3y ago
> Nobody here is talking about collecting personal information except you either. The goal is simply to track the amount of sharing various pages experience. That is personal information.
- explaininjs 3y ago
  Elaborate?

atoav 3y ago

And how do you track that amount of data without collecting the datum of which user shared what to whom? Sure you could anonymize it etc., but by that point you already processed data that has been ruled personal data without consent. The truth is, that we had some rulings on what is considered personal data and what isn't and IP adresses, even parts of them can be regarded as such. Now you and I might think this is silly etc., but if we write software for corporations that have to pay fines as a feaction of their total revenue not knowing that can easily ruin our lives. And I am merely reflecting the way how these laws have been interpreted and ruled on so far in the comment section for an article on, well another ruling by a court. Legal reality, like physical reality doesn't go away if you close your eyes.

explaininjs 3y ago
For one, it'd be a potential way to maintain a sophisticated full-conversion lifetime A/B testing setup with no PII of any sort ever hashed/retained. No IP addresses required, or anything else.
- atoav 3y ago
  Just counting the times someone requested that particular UUID could indeed work — provided you don't store which IP requested that UUID-endpoint anywhere on your webserver or elsewhere, because then we could infer that relationship again. So this sounds like a good idea. Is this what you originally meant? Nontheless I hope you can see in which way the whole thing is still deeply connected to the legal question of how one can still learn about their service without tracking single users when they don't give their consent, maybe now even via DNT header.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Yes, you get more persistent attribution data for ad campaigns/whatever without consuming any personal information.

funcDropShadow 3y ago

> Nobody here is talking about collecting personal information except you either. The goal is simply to track the amount of sharing various pages experience. That is personal information.

explaininjs 3y ago
Elaborate?