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> At some point I wonder when is progress enough. Its never enough, progress continually marches forward. If we accepted no progress we'd still be running fo

> At some point I wonder when is progress enough. Its never enough, progress continually marches forward. If we accepted no progress we'd still be running fortran/cobol and other old tooling.

ge96 3y ago
Right and computers wouldn't advance more/be capable of cool things like VR. Seems like one day you'll just say "import website" and it's done which for me isn't fun but does get the job done. Keep up with the change or get left behind. At my job they outsourced the html/css writing so we just glue stuff together, it' s depressing.
- stmblast 3y ago
  If your company outsources the HTML/CSS, then presumably the people who are working at the company are working on the backend services and none of the frontend at all?
  - ge96 3y ago
    Haha ownership is trying to replace people with AI. Gave a presentation on chatGPT... content writer/SEO people sweating. It's just funny/ironic the infighting in my viewpoint, they don't trust us to make high quality front end code so they pay another company to do it and then we have to templatize/glue it back together. Oh well... sucks to suck move to another company. edit: response to below, the html/css stuff they did outsource to other humans, I'm saying it's a joke because that's our job as frontend devs
    - stmblast 3y ago
      That's even worse than I thought. I was thinking maybe they'd at least outsource it to other humans.
vlunkr 3y ago
Sure, but is it really progress to swap our tooling around every couple of years? Do you know what users think about the progression of spaghetti js, to jquery, to backbone, to angular, to ember, to react, to svelte, to htmx? They don't think about it. It literally does not matter to them except that your site may have better (or worse) performance and fewer (or more) bugs.
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  That the frontend community is a monolith marching towards the same area is a weird HN old wives tale. Most people are still using React and Jquery

> At some point I wonder when is progress enough. Its never enough, progress continually marches forward. If we accepted no progress we'd still be running fortran/cobol and other old tooling.

ge96 3y ago

Right and computers wouldn't advance more/be capable of cool things like VR. Seems like one day you'll just say "import website" and it's done which for me isn't fun but does get the job done. Keep up with the change or get left behind. At my job they outsourced the html/css writing so we just glue stuff together, it' s depressing.

stmblast 3y ago
If your company outsources the HTML/CSS, then presumably the people who are working at the company are working on the backend services and none of the frontend at all?
- ge96 3y ago
  Haha ownership is trying to replace people with AI. Gave a presentation on chatGPT... content writer/SEO people sweating. It's just funny/ironic the infighting in my viewpoint, they don't trust us to make high quality front end code so they pay another company to do it and then we have to templatize/glue it back together. Oh well... sucks to suck move to another company. edit: response to below, the html/css stuff they did outsource to other humans, I'm saying it's a joke because that's our job as frontend devs
  - stmblast 3y ago
    That's even worse than I thought. I was thinking maybe they'd at least outsource it to other humans.

vlunkr 3y ago

Sure, but is it really progress to swap our tooling around every couple of years? Do you know what users think about the progression of spaghetti js, to jquery, to backbone, to angular, to ember, to react, to svelte, to htmx? They don't think about it. It literally does not matter to them except that your site may have better (or worse) performance and fewer (or more) bugs.

Capricorn2481 3y ago
That the frontend community is a monolith marching towards the same area is a weird HN old wives tale. Most people are still using React and Jquery