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This lack of a decent open text to speech is really frustrating, because some of the closed ones are just scary good.

rickydroll 3y ago
I've used various forms of Dragon since 1994 to help me deal with hand/arm problems. I would love to tell Windows to go take a flying leap but I can't because I need to use Dragon. If I had real-time or near real-time recognition AND the ability to edit by voice text in any field or application that I would be in a very good place. A better place would also include adding per application/global commands to drive the application. If you haven't lived with speech recognition, it's not apparent that the command space for speech environment is significantly different from the command space for mouse and hands. In order to make the command space for speech work well, the speech recognition environment the application needs to present to the API with access to all functionality and data within the application.
- maeil 3y ago
  > I would love to tell Windows to go take a flying leap but I can't because I need to use Dragon. What does Dragon do you for that Talon can't?
  - rickydroll 3y ago
    Talon has advanced quite a bit since I last I looked but it looks like it still falls short. However, I will give it a trial run again. It looks quite useful if you need command and control. for general diction, not so much. To be fair, Dragon and other SR systems fail at speech driven editing. 99.9% of my dragon use is plane text dictation and when if the app is select-and -say enabled,edit and make corrections by voice. Speech commands as they are implemented are rarely useful mostly because there are too many of them to remember. Fortunately, my hands have recovered enough it is faster to type and mouse that it is to silently try to remember commands, construct what I want to say and then say it without stumbling or pausing then, undoing what was recognized, and trying again until I get it right. one thing I'd like to do is difficult; have the same command give the same results in different contexts. For example: say "make me root" and have the command recognize what machine on what network I'm connected to, sent the command "sudo su -<enter>" and then send the right password from my password manager without me having to type anything. example: tail [forever] <service log> work the same no matter what distribution, of logging method (syslog vrs journald) and priv level. if I need a sudo before accessing log data put one in and give it the password if needed without any action om my part. another should be possible is dictating into an app (like thunderbird) with text boxes and when focus is outside of the box, turn off recognition output. if you leave recognition output active outside of a text box then speech is typing hotkey commands from the letters in the words recognized. disaster example: hotkey-stroking your way through your email, phone rings, you forgot to turn your mic off. at the end of the all, you recognize your out-of-context recognition has destroyed your mailbox is and you have no idea how to recover it. The biggest thing is dragon is an out-of-the box solution. 15 mins (or less) install and I am dictating at high accuracy and a large vocabulary.
kkielhofner 3y ago
If you think open source speech recognition is behind don't even look at text to speech synthesis. It's not even in the same galaxy.

I've used various forms of Dragon since 1994 to help me deal with hand/arm problems. I would love to tell Windows to go take a flying leap but I can't because I need to use Dragon. If I had real-time or near real-time recognition AND the ability to edit by voice text in any field or application that I would be in a very good place. A better place would also include adding per application/global commands to drive the application. If you haven't lived with speech recognition, it's not apparent that the command space for speech environment is significantly different from the command space for mouse and hands. In order to make the command space for speech work well, the speech recognition environment the application needs to present to the API with access to all functionality and data within the application.

maeil 3y ago
> I would love to tell Windows to go take a flying leap but I can't because I need to use Dragon. What does Dragon do you for that Talon can't?
- rickydroll 3y ago
  Talon has advanced quite a bit since I last I looked but it looks like it still falls short. However, I will give it a trial run again. It looks quite useful if you need command and control. for general diction, not so much. To be fair, Dragon and other SR systems fail at speech driven editing. 99.9% of my dragon use is plane text dictation and when if the app is select-and -say enabled,edit and make corrections by voice. Speech commands as they are implemented are rarely useful mostly because there are too many of them to remember. Fortunately, my hands have recovered enough it is faster to type and mouse that it is to silently try to remember commands, construct what I want to say and then say it without stumbling or pausing then, undoing what was recognized, and trying again until I get it right. one thing I'd like to do is difficult; have the same command give the same results in different contexts. For example: say "make me root" and have the command recognize what machine on what network I'm connected to, sent the command "sudo su -<enter>" and then send the right password from my password manager without me having to type anything. example: tail [forever] <service log> work the same no matter what distribution, of logging method (syslog vrs journald) and priv level. if I need a sudo before accessing log data put one in and give it the password if needed without any action om my part. another should be possible is dictating into an app (like thunderbird) with text boxes and when focus is outside of the box, turn off recognition output. if you leave recognition output active outside of a text box then speech is typing hotkey commands from the letters in the words recognized. disaster example: hotkey-stroking your way through your email, phone rings, you forgot to turn your mic off. at the end of the all, you recognize your out-of-context recognition has destroyed your mailbox is and you have no idea how to recover it. The biggest thing is dragon is an out-of-the box solution. 15 mins (or less) install and I am dictating at high accuracy and a large vocabulary.

kkielhofner 3y ago

If you think open source speech recognition is behind don't even look at text to speech synthesis. It's not even in the same galaxy.