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Its not so straightforward. Caffeine consumption has been shown to reduce the chance of dementia. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836063/ https:/

by 1970-01-01 3y ago

Its not so straightforward. Caffeine consumption has been shown to reduce the chance of dementia. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836063/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836063/

shlant 3y ago
1. Can't be sure that the effect of caffeine is more worth it than the possible impact on sleep. Better sleep probably has a wider range of benefits compared to caffeine. 2. Might not have to be one or the other - just make sure caffeine consumption is very early in the day
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Almondsetat 3y ago
All these studies seem like cope. You drink coffee because it makes you do more things at work / you are a slob without it because of addiction. You are not drinking it because it might make you better in bed or have less dementia in 50 years. On the other hand we all need to sleep so doing it properly is a net positive
- brigadier132 3y ago
  Caffeine is really not unhealthy. It's one of the most studied supplements ever. If you drink one cup of coffee before noon you will be perfectly fine.
  - Almondsetat 3y ago
    >if you drink one cup If you only shoot heroin once a week you will be perfectly fine How many people resist the urge and only shoot heroin once a week? We are humans, not perfectly diligent robots. The first thing you say to a person with eating disorders is to throw all the junk food from their home. It’s close to impossible to resist even the “simple” temptation of food. It’s much easier for a person to never start drinking coffee in the morning to “wake up” than starting and then quitting
    - brigadier132 3y ago
      Caffeine is not heroin. Caffeine has proven benefits. Given your entire comment is one massive strawman argument I will ignore the rest of it.
      - Almondsetat 3y ago
        > Caffeine is not heroin. Caffeine has proven benefits. Heroin has proven benefits, this is why they give it to you at the hospital. Given your entire comment is a massive lie I will ignore the rest of your replies
        brigadier132 3y ago
        Ah yes, heroin and caffeine are equivalent, that's why we see all those caffeine addicts lining the streets of San Francisco looking for their next fix. If you want to have an honest discussion, stop using these terrible analogies and bring actual scientific evidence. This mentality of finding these shallow similarities and drawing these insane conclusions indicates that someone has very low intelligence. This is your "deep" thought process 1. Caffeine is a drug 2. Heroin is also a drug 3. Caffeine can have negative effects on people when used in excess 4. Heroin can also have negative effects on people when used in excess! ergo, caffeine is as bad as heroin
        Almondsetat 3y ago
        > ergo, caffeine is as bad as heroin Never said this. Perhaps if you didn’t “ignore” the rest of my comment you would have understood the point :)
        discard124 3y ago
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        r2_pilot 3y ago
        There's a Starbucks in town whose unfortunate positioning has led to a great increase in wrecks (it's just past a hill, on a fairly busy road with speed limit of 40mph, and it doesn't have enough space for a large drive thru so cars are backed into the road).
musha68k 3y ago
It's not necessarily 0 or 1 is it? E.g. a "short espresso" in the early morning hours at least from my sleep tracking / particular (heavy) physiology doesn't make a difference vs when I'm off of caffeine (on weekends usually). I'd start with dropping afternoon coffee and experiment backwards from there.
zeroonetwothree 3y ago
Your link literally says: “ Epidemiologic studies have provided inconclusive evidence for a protective effect of caffeine consumption on risk of dementia and cognitive decline.” That doesn’t sound very convincing.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago
  Context is key. You've just cited the concept under challenge. The summary and conclusion literally says it "may reduce the risk of dementia and cognitive decline, and may ameliorate cognitive decline in cognitively impaired individuals."
krrrh 3y ago
Without reading this paper but having read a bunch of this research in the past, it’s definitely inconclusive due to poor quality data. The people who don’t consume caffeine category too often includes those with major health issues that prevent them from doing so.

shlant 3y ago

1. Can't be sure that the effect of caffeine is more worth it than the possible impact on sleep. Better sleep probably has a wider range of benefits compared to caffeine. 2. Might not have to be one or the other - just make sure caffeine consumption is very early in the day

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Almondsetat 3y ago

All these studies seem like cope. You drink coffee because it makes you do more things at work / you are a slob without it because of addiction. You are not drinking it because it might make you better in bed or have less dementia in 50 years. On the other hand we all need to sleep so doing it properly is a net positive

brigadier132 3y ago
Caffeine is really not unhealthy. It's one of the most studied supplements ever. If you drink one cup of coffee before noon you will be perfectly fine.
- Almondsetat 3y ago
  >if you drink one cup If you only shoot heroin once a week you will be perfectly fine How many people resist the urge and only shoot heroin once a week? We are humans, not perfectly diligent robots. The first thing you say to a person with eating disorders is to throw all the junk food from their home. It’s close to impossible to resist even the “simple” temptation of food. It’s much easier for a person to never start drinking coffee in the morning to “wake up” than starting and then quitting
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    Caffeine is not heroin. Caffeine has proven benefits. Given your entire comment is one massive strawman argument I will ignore the rest of it.
    - Almondsetat 3y ago
      > Caffeine is not heroin. Caffeine has proven benefits. Heroin has proven benefits, this is why they give it to you at the hospital. Given your entire comment is a massive lie I will ignore the rest of your replies
      - brigadier132 3y ago
        Ah yes, heroin and caffeine are equivalent, that's why we see all those caffeine addicts lining the streets of San Francisco looking for their next fix. If you want to have an honest discussion, stop using these terrible analogies and bring actual scientific evidence. This mentality of finding these shallow similarities and drawing these insane conclusions indicates that someone has very low intelligence. This is your "deep" thought process 1. Caffeine is a drug 2. Heroin is also a drug 3. Caffeine can have negative effects on people when used in excess 4. Heroin can also have negative effects on people when used in excess! ergo, caffeine is as bad as heroin
        Almondsetat 3y ago
        > ergo, caffeine is as bad as heroin Never said this. Perhaps if you didn’t “ignore” the rest of my comment you would have understood the point :)
        discard124 3y ago
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        r2_pilot 3y ago
        There's a Starbucks in town whose unfortunate positioning has led to a great increase in wrecks (it's just past a hill, on a fairly busy road with speed limit of 40mph, and it doesn't have enough space for a large drive thru so cars are backed into the road).

musha68k 3y ago

It's not necessarily 0 or 1 is it? E.g. a "short espresso" in the early morning hours at least from my sleep tracking / particular (heavy) physiology doesn't make a difference vs when I'm off of caffeine (on weekends usually). I'd start with dropping afternoon coffee and experiment backwards from there.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago

Your link literally says: “ Epidemiologic studies have provided inconclusive evidence for a protective effect of caffeine consumption on risk of dementia and cognitive decline.” That doesn’t sound very convincing.

1970-01-01 3y ago
Context is key. You've just cited the concept under challenge. The summary and conclusion literally says it "may reduce the risk of dementia and cognitive decline, and may ameliorate cognitive decline in cognitively impaired individuals."

krrrh 3y ago

Without reading this paper but having read a bunch of this research in the past, it’s definitely inconclusive due to poor quality data. The people who don’t consume caffeine category too often includes those with major health issues that prevent them from doing so.