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Tesla should’ve focused all efforts on a cheaper, mass market Model 2, instead of the Cybertruck, if they wanted to continue seeing growth. The Cybertruck is o

Tesla should’ve focused all efforts on a cheaper, mass market Model 2, instead of the Cybertruck, if they wanted to continue seeing growth. The Cybertruck is only an NA vehicle, and while admittedly it’s the biggest market, a Model 2 would’ve had a way bigger impact globally.

judge2020 3y ago
The model 3 is really cheap. The "model 2" is apart of their plans but growth isn't as important as profits, and releasing it before everything is ready would've been a mistake.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Just went to Tesla website to see what "really cheap" is. Base level Model 3 is $38,990 purchase price. Of course, they don't default to showing you that. Instead, they show you some artificially lower price called "Probable Savings*" based on assumed rebates from tax deductions. However, you're still charged the full price for financing purposes, but just get some sort of tax deduction from the Fed. So it's not the same thing at all as a lower car price. This is just marketing bullshit speak.
  - judge2020 3y ago
    Next year that 7500 will indeed be taken off the MSRP of the car[0]. But 39k is relatively cheap given it's lower than the current average new car price[1], and the same as $29k in 2013 money, which was the "average new car price" at that time[2]. Those gas savings are real too, assuming you can charge at home. 0: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/08/heres-what-happens-to-the-federal-ev-tax-credit-on-january-1-2024/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/08/heres-what-happens-to-t... 1: https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september-2022/ https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september... 2: https://santanderconsumerusa.com/blog/average-new-car-prices-slightly-lower-2013 https://santanderconsumerusa.com/blog/average-new-car-prices...
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Seriously, WTF does a "in 2013" money got do with anything? A loaf of bread used to only cost a nickel, and a gallon of gas was only $0.99 when I learned to drive. None of that means a damn thing today. People that tout those kinds of numbers to rationalize anything is just not even trying to have an honest conversation
      - judge2020 3y ago
        It illustrates that it's on-par with the cost of a new car in 2013, and cheaper than the average cost of a new car today. If that, plus the addition of the real world savings that come from reduced maintenance and gas savings, is not "cheap", then I don't know what is.
        dylan604 3y ago
        But who cares what a car cost in 2013? We're not in 2013. It's a useless metric trotted out when no other metrics can be used. It's an act of desperation to convince someone of something not relevant. I can't go to a dealership and say I will only pay the price from 10 years ago.
rapsey 3y ago
Tesla is very competitively priced. Cheaper than a whole lot of ICE cars which have gone up in price significantly over the last couple of years.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  Isn't that the main reason for the half-dozen Tesla price cuts this year? Because Tesla is following the tech industry's practice of continually lowering prices, as opposed to less demand per se?

judge2020 3y ago

The model 3 is really cheap. The "model 2" is apart of their plans but growth isn't as important as profits, and releasing it before everything is ready would've been a mistake.

dylan604 3y ago
Just went to Tesla website to see what "really cheap" is. Base level Model 3 is $38,990 purchase price. Of course, they don't default to showing you that. Instead, they show you some artificially lower price called "Probable Savings*" based on assumed rebates from tax deductions. However, you're still charged the full price for financing purposes, but just get some sort of tax deduction from the Fed. So it's not the same thing at all as a lower car price. This is just marketing bullshit speak.
- judge2020 3y ago
  Next year that 7500 will indeed be taken off the MSRP of the car[0]. But 39k is relatively cheap given it's lower than the current average new car price[1], and the same as $29k in 2013 money, which was the "average new car price" at that time[2]. Those gas savings are real too, assuming you can charge at home. 0: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/08/heres-what-happens-to-the-federal-ev-tax-credit-on-january-1-2024/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/08/heres-what-happens-to-t... 1: https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september-2022/ https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-september... 2: https://santanderconsumerusa.com/blog/average-new-car-prices-slightly-lower-2013 https://santanderconsumerusa.com/blog/average-new-car-prices...
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Seriously, WTF does a "in 2013" money got do with anything? A loaf of bread used to only cost a nickel, and a gallon of gas was only $0.99 when I learned to drive. None of that means a damn thing today. People that tout those kinds of numbers to rationalize anything is just not even trying to have an honest conversation
    - judge2020 3y ago
      It illustrates that it's on-par with the cost of a new car in 2013, and cheaper than the average cost of a new car today. If that, plus the addition of the real world savings that come from reduced maintenance and gas savings, is not "cheap", then I don't know what is.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        But who cares what a car cost in 2013? We're not in 2013. It's a useless metric trotted out when no other metrics can be used. It's an act of desperation to convince someone of something not relevant. I can't go to a dealership and say I will only pay the price from 10 years ago.

rapsey 3y ago

Tesla is very competitively priced. Cheaper than a whole lot of ICE cars which have gone up in price significantly over the last couple of years.

TMWNN 3y ago
Isn't that the main reason for the half-dozen Tesla price cuts this year? Because Tesla is following the tech industry's practice of continually lowering prices, as opposed to less demand per se?