> You mean the 40 beheaded babies or the one in the oven? As so far all these “stories” turned out to be an utter lie. No. Just those that were true, they're e

> You mean the 40 beheaded babies or the one in the oven? As so far all these “stories” turned out to be an utter lie. No. Just those that were true, they're enough. I know a few people personally including a family who survived. Most of their village is dead or in Gaza. > On the other hand, did you know Tantura Deir Yassin. Sure. There were several such cases on both sides. I don't want to defend the indefensible. But don't pretend that it was one sided... There were awful atrocities in 1948 on both sides. To be fair, the IDF or Israel didn't really exist yet. There was no real rule book. People just came off the boat from the holocaust to fight for their lives against armies of several different countries intent on destroying them. But lets talk about the positive sides. The Arabs that did stay in Israel got full citizenship and rights. I can't say there's no discrimination but they do have a supreme court justice and were part of the last government formed in Israel. > Gaza since 2005 is an open air prison I'm with you on that. But the blame for that is on the Hamas. Israel has repeatedly tried to lift restrictions on Gaza. Just 4 weeks ago there were 17,000 Gazans in Israeli borders. Some of them illegally and Israel turned a blind eye as part of a misconception that the Hamas "calmed down". Israel removed settlements from Gaza and wants nothing more than to be out of it. The last thing Israel wants to do is invade Gaza. Notice that even with all the "restrictions" missiles etc. all went through freely. Hamas terrorists were able to travel freely to Iran where they trained in modern warfare. The narrative of a blockade on Gaza is inaccurate at best. > years ago they tried to march peacefully to the borders to show the world that there are people still in there dying slowly One of the families murdered on October 7th was a family that held annual kite flying events across the fence for solidarity with the children of Gaza. OTOH the Hamas used such marches on the fence to plant the bombs they would use to take it down on October 7th... I know quite a few Gazans and I know the majority of them want peace. As I said, the war isn't against the people of Gaza. They are the poor souls stuck in the middle. Unfortunately, the Hamas is unwilling to compromise or change. > drop that victim tone I'm not using a victim tone. That's projection. I'm using a blame tone. The fault is the Hamas's fault only... They left no choice to Israel. They intentionally chose to do that knowing full well that innocent lives will be hurt. They chose to increase the number of Palestinian victims instead of saving innocent lives. Israel doesn't have a choice here. > 18,000 tons of bombs that’s equivalent to 1.5 times the force of bomb of Hiroshima And yet Gaza stands. Israel has literal atomic bombs yet they chose weapons that would allow refined targeting to minimize the impact on civilians. It's still impossible. The cancer of Hamas is embedded deep into Gaza. The fact that so much was bombed and even with the Hamas's inflated numbers the casualties are so low, shows how careful Israel has been. > Israel is who created that resistance by occupying the land and violating all international laws That sentence is unclear but Israel doesn't violate international law. On the contrary it abuses it legally. The occupation is terrible, I'm with you on that. But it is legal. When soldiers are caught violating the law, they are jailed. Yes, I don't want to defend Israeli occupation because obviously I don't believe in that. But there's BAD and there's ridiculously WORSE. The Hamas is worse for everyone involved, Palestinians most of all. > most of these resistance fighters are orphans who have their parents killed in previous bombing The Hamas isn't a resistance movement. It's a Jihadi movement. The PLO is a resistance movement. The difference is that a resistance movement has attainable goals and is ultimately interested in peace. The Hamas is interested only in the end of Israel. The entire country. Now you might hate Israel which is within your right. But it has a lot of people who also did nothing and weren't born in 1948. When it's the choice between Israel and Hamas... That's pretty clear. It also has the greater firepower so this is clearly a suicide mission. They take that route and choose to take with them the entire population of Gaza... Also the myth of "parents killed resistance fighter" is a tired cliche. Most of them are indoctrinated from a young age e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers > the previous 75years were two loving peaceful “sovereign” nations next to each other before one attacked is pure rhetoric propaganda, only fools will believe it. Who said that? Most of these 75 years were spent by Israel being attacked by all its neighbors. For the Gazans it was spent under Egyptian rule and for the west bank some was spent under Jordanian rule. When Israel occupied these territories there was no one to give them back to. When it signed a peace treaty with Egypt they didn't want Gaza back. Neither did Jordan. Israel did try to give these territories to the PLO. That's a historic fact. The Hamas stopped peace from happening. That's also a historic fact. I was physically there so I know it for a fact and don't need to believe the "propaganda".