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Those casualty numbers all originate from the “Gaza Health Ministry”, which is in reality just Hamas. They are not reliable and shouldn’t be taken at face value

Those casualty numbers all originate from the “Gaza Health Ministry”, which is in reality just Hamas. They are not reliable and shouldn’t be taken at face value. During the 2002 Battle of Jenin, Palestinians claimed hundreds to thousands of civilian casualties, including claims of mass graves. Afterwards, the total number of Palestinian casualties turned out to be 52 to 53, most of whom were militants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin_(2002) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin_(2002) As for Jabalia, many of the civilian casualties are attributed to “sinkholes” (i.e. the Hamas tunnel network). There were also warnings of “the possibility of secondary explosions due to the presence of munitions in the area” (https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1719363355360518250 https://x.com/gaza_report/status/1719363355360518250), along with reports of “the loss of Jabaliya brigade commander Ibrahim Biari and several other fighters when their underground operations center collapsed after being hit by an Israeli air strike.” Israel issued a warning weeks ago that the safest part of Gaza would the southern half of the strip, south of the Wadi Gaza. Why wouldn’t Hamas place refugees there instead of on top of their underground command centers where they were storing munitions? > Kind of makes you wonder who the 'terrorists' are. On October 7th, Hamas fighters entered Israel to rape and murder over 1,400 people in their homes, in the streets, and at a music festival. Over 200 were taken hostage. Do you believe this was a legitimate act of resistance?

tamimio 3y ago
> Those casualty numbers all originate from the “Gaza Health Ministry” The white house did eventually confirm the casualties (1), not to mention in previous wars there were no major discrepancies and were credible and believed by the white house and media too, in fact, UN believes that the numbers are actually higher but still under the rubble > Some U.N. officials, however, say the real number of casualties is likely significantly higher because the health ministry’s tally doesn’t include people still under the rubble. (2) (1) https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719517883976614095 https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719517883976614095 (2) https://archive.ph/1ftlW https://archive.ph/1ftlW
- philwelch 3y ago
  > The white house did eventually confirm the casualties The White House confirmed that civilian casualties are taking place, but civilian casualties take place in every armed conflict. > not to mention in previous wars there were no major discrepancies False; did you read the part of my comment addressing Jenin? Even in this conflict, the blast at the hospital, Hamas claimed 500 deaths when they blamed it on Israel. It turned out that not only did Israel not bomb the hospital (rather, it was hit by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad), but the total number of deaths was, depending on which source you believe, anywhere between 1/10 and 1/2 as many as Hamas had originally claimed.
  - tamimio 3y ago
    > The White House confirmed that civilian casualties are taking place, but civilian casualties take place in every armed conflict. They did confirm the numbers, they are independently audited by the UN team too, always been the case, even Senators now are confirming the numbers (1), additionally, if US “really” wanted to confirm the numbers, they can send a team there to confirm these numbers by themselves, but we all know it’s just a dirty politics to hijack the credibility of Palestinians officials’ statements to allow further crimes goes undetected. > False; did you read the part of my comment addressing Jenin? I did, and has nothing to do with this current issue so it’s irrelevant, since they fall in different administrations (one in Gaza other in West bank) > It turned out that not only did Israel not bomb the hospital (rather, it was hit by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad) That’s also another lie, it wasn’t a misfire as noted by many analysts who also analyzed the sound of that hit, this video probably provides the best timeline (2) (1) https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1719858059193794599 https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1719858059193794599 (2) https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1716793296217895156 https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/171679329621789515...
    - philwelch 3y ago
      You’re citing an anti-Israel Pepe the Frog account on Twitter calling itself “Chief Trumpster”? Are you fucking serious?

tamimio 3y ago

> Those casualty numbers all originate from the “Gaza Health Ministry” The white house did eventually confirm the casualties (1), not to mention in previous wars there were no major discrepancies and were credible and believed by the white house and media too, in fact, UN believes that the numbers are actually higher but still under the rubble > Some U.N. officials, however, say the real number of casualties is likely significantly higher because the health ministry’s tally doesn’t include people still under the rubble. (2) (1) https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719517883976614095 https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719517883976614095 (2) https://archive.ph/1ftlW https://archive.ph/1ftlW

philwelch 3y ago
> The white house did eventually confirm the casualties The White House confirmed that civilian casualties are taking place, but civilian casualties take place in every armed conflict. > not to mention in previous wars there were no major discrepancies False; did you read the part of my comment addressing Jenin? Even in this conflict, the blast at the hospital, Hamas claimed 500 deaths when they blamed it on Israel. It turned out that not only did Israel not bomb the hospital (rather, it was hit by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad), but the total number of deaths was, depending on which source you believe, anywhere between 1/10 and 1/2 as many as Hamas had originally claimed.
- tamimio 3y ago
  > The White House confirmed that civilian casualties are taking place, but civilian casualties take place in every armed conflict. They did confirm the numbers, they are independently audited by the UN team too, always been the case, even Senators now are confirming the numbers (1), additionally, if US “really” wanted to confirm the numbers, they can send a team there to confirm these numbers by themselves, but we all know it’s just a dirty politics to hijack the credibility of Palestinians officials’ statements to allow further crimes goes undetected. > False; did you read the part of my comment addressing Jenin? I did, and has nothing to do with this current issue so it’s irrelevant, since they fall in different administrations (one in Gaza other in West bank) > It turned out that not only did Israel not bomb the hospital (rather, it was hit by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad) That’s also another lie, it wasn’t a misfire as noted by many analysts who also analyzed the sound of that hit, this video probably provides the best timeline (2) (1) https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1719858059193794599 https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1719858059193794599 (2) https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1716793296217895156 https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/171679329621789515...
  - philwelch 3y ago
    You’re citing an anti-Israel Pepe the Frog account on Twitter calling itself “Chief Trumpster”? Are you fucking serious?