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> I also know that Israel are taking peoples homes and land. No it hasn't. You're talking about 1948 where there was a terrible war. Many Jews lost their homes

> I also know that Israel are taking peoples homes and land. No it hasn't. You're talking about 1948 where there was a terrible war. Many Jews lost their homes. Palestinians who left the country couldn't return because of all arab countries were at war with Israel and the borders were closed. The many Jews who ran from Arab countries lost everything too but no one talks about that. I agree there should be a Palestinian state. Hamas is the #1 reason there isn't one. Israel is a distant #2 here... > Imagine if a group came to the USA and started kicking Americans out? I'd like to see how that goes... Funny you should mention that because that group is the Americans... > Just because you're not using human shields, doesn't mean dropping a bomb from a hi-tech hundred million dollar fighter jet makes you special or absolves you from responsibility, or makes it ok. It doesn't. That's why Israel tracks every bomb and every firing. There's a special prosecutor from Hauge court right now looking at everything and US involvement also makes sure Israel is taking every precaution. Unlike the Hamas, Israel can be sued for war crimes and is making sure to document every decision so it has a chain back to the intelligence that triggered every bombing. > Those human shields are innocent people. 100%. Historically, that was the reason Israel didn't deal with the Hamas in the past. That was the wrong decision in retrospect. The Hamas has to be destroyed and there's just no other way to do it. It is terrible.

tamimio 3y ago
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- invalidname 3y ago
  So this is a bit nuanced. F*ck the settlers. I'm 100% with you on this, they are terrible people. This is specifically a quote related to the "hill people" who break Israeli law to take over land that isn't theirs. To be clear, it's against Israeli law and even the current government removed them multiple times. Unfortunately, the current terrible government has been pretty bad at that. But even they didn't change Israeli land ownership laws. Yes, there are regulations and limits that make it harder on Palestinians and there's discrimination. But outright taking a land is illegal and the country can be sued for something like that.
  - tamimio 3y ago
    Settlers are protected by the police AND the army when they commit the crimes, they are all equally bad, I can go list hundreds of cases, even thousands, media and videos and more, that will need a whole encyclopedia to lost them all, but I will leave this video only if you are looking for the truth https://twitter.com/Dunian98/status/1719855293855637893 https://twitter.com/Dunian98/status/1719855293855637893 Or https://files.catbox.moe/i1khdh.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/i1khdh.mp4
    - invalidname 3y ago
      > Settlers are protected by the police AND the army when they commit the crimes Again. I won't defend those a*holes. They put soldiers in a problematic spot lots of times. Some soldiers make the mistake of enabling them and yes that's due to bad policy. I'm 100% for a Palestinian state and clearing the occupied territories. But... Gaza doesn't have settlers anymore. Look what happened there... Furthermore, Israel tried to remove settlements and sign a long term peace accord. The Hamas is the group that blew that up. If you're against the settlements and for peace then the first stop needs to be with ending the Hamas. Otherwise, any agreement would be sabotaged again. > they are all equally bad Chopping off the hand of an 8 year old girl isn't on the same scale: https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1719667140209316316?s=20 https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1719667140209316316?s=20 This is just one small bit. But the Hamas is on a completely different scale here. As I said, in normal cases and when it comes to the west bank I'm 100% with you on the "Israel is bad" bandwagon. But the situation in Gaza is very different and separate. > I can go list hundreds of cases, even thousands, media and videos and more, that will need a whole encyclopedia to lost them all, but I will leave this video only if you are looking for the truth You know who listed these cases? Israeli's did. Including soldiers see: https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.ahimlaneshek.org/ https://www.ahimlaneshek.org/ These are Israeli driven organizations that are working hard to get the truth out there within and without of Israel. Unfortunately, killing civilians in such a brutal attack sets back all of these efforts. A few years ago I was having a talk with a friend who lives in a city that gets a lot of missiles. He was talking in a very militant tone about the trauma and panic his kids are suffering as a result of the missiles. He said he doesn't care about a single Palestinian life because of the fear in his kids. When I talked to him about the Palestinian people and the fathers on the other side who obviously have it worse he calmed himself down and agreed with that viewpoint. Unfortunately, this is a hard discussion to have under fire with bad leadership and at mass scale. In peaceful times the majority of both Israelis and Palestinians are for a two state solution. Israel even offered that to the Palestinian authority on more than one occasion. This was sabotaged by extremists. To be fair, there are extremists on both sides to varying degrees. But of all these extremists the Hamas has been consistently the worse. It has complete disregard to Palestinian lives and uses them as human shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmrgAeqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmrgAeqw It has specifically stated that it is interested in repeating October 7th: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 They are stealing humanitarian aid: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjhcwfl7p https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjhcwfl7p Yes, I know the last two are Israeli sources but notice that there are recordings... If you are pro-Palestinian and pro-peace then the Hamas is the biggest roadblock in that direction. The second roadblock is Benjamin Netanyahu who I hope would end up in prison. But the Hamas is still well ahead as we wouldn't have Netanyahu in power without their constant attacks.

tamimio 3y ago

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invalidname 3y ago
So this is a bit nuanced. F*ck the settlers. I'm 100% with you on this, they are terrible people. This is specifically a quote related to the "hill people" who break Israeli law to take over land that isn't theirs. To be clear, it's against Israeli law and even the current government removed them multiple times. Unfortunately, the current terrible government has been pretty bad at that. But even they didn't change Israeli land ownership laws. Yes, there are regulations and limits that make it harder on Palestinians and there's discrimination. But outright taking a land is illegal and the country can be sued for something like that.
- tamimio 3y ago
  Settlers are protected by the police AND the army when they commit the crimes, they are all equally bad, I can go list hundreds of cases, even thousands, media and videos and more, that will need a whole encyclopedia to lost them all, but I will leave this video only if you are looking for the truth https://twitter.com/Dunian98/status/1719855293855637893 https://twitter.com/Dunian98/status/1719855293855637893 Or https://files.catbox.moe/i1khdh.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/i1khdh.mp4
  - invalidname 3y ago
    > Settlers are protected by the police AND the army when they commit the crimes Again. I won't defend those a*holes. They put soldiers in a problematic spot lots of times. Some soldiers make the mistake of enabling them and yes that's due to bad policy. I'm 100% for a Palestinian state and clearing the occupied territories. But... Gaza doesn't have settlers anymore. Look what happened there... Furthermore, Israel tried to remove settlements and sign a long term peace accord. The Hamas is the group that blew that up. If you're against the settlements and for peace then the first stop needs to be with ending the Hamas. Otherwise, any agreement would be sabotaged again. > they are all equally bad Chopping off the hand of an 8 year old girl isn't on the same scale: https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1719667140209316316?s=20 https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1719667140209316316?s=20 This is just one small bit. But the Hamas is on a completely different scale here. As I said, in normal cases and when it comes to the west bank I'm 100% with you on the "Israel is bad" bandwagon. But the situation in Gaza is very different and separate. > I can go list hundreds of cases, even thousands, media and videos and more, that will need a whole encyclopedia to lost them all, but I will leave this video only if you are looking for the truth You know who listed these cases? Israeli's did. Including soldiers see: https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.ahimlaneshek.org/ https://www.ahimlaneshek.org/ These are Israeli driven organizations that are working hard to get the truth out there within and without of Israel. Unfortunately, killing civilians in such a brutal attack sets back all of these efforts. A few years ago I was having a talk with a friend who lives in a city that gets a lot of missiles. He was talking in a very militant tone about the trauma and panic his kids are suffering as a result of the missiles. He said he doesn't care about a single Palestinian life because of the fear in his kids. When I talked to him about the Palestinian people and the fathers on the other side who obviously have it worse he calmed himself down and agreed with that viewpoint. Unfortunately, this is a hard discussion to have under fire with bad leadership and at mass scale. In peaceful times the majority of both Israelis and Palestinians are for a two state solution. Israel even offered that to the Palestinian authority on more than one occasion. This was sabotaged by extremists. To be fair, there are extremists on both sides to varying degrees. But of all these extremists the Hamas has been consistently the worse. It has complete disregard to Palestinian lives and uses them as human shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmrgAeqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmrgAeqw It has specifically stated that it is interested in repeating October 7th: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1y31101m6 They are stealing humanitarian aid: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjhcwfl7p https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjhcwfl7p Yes, I know the last two are Israeli sources but notice that there are recordings... If you are pro-Palestinian and pro-peace then the Hamas is the biggest roadblock in that direction. The second roadblock is Benjamin Netanyahu who I hope would end up in prison. But the Hamas is still well ahead as we wouldn't have Netanyahu in power without their constant attacks.