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It takes a lot of confidence to say that Python is a low quality project. I'm not sure if many people could ever say that, but I'm sure the people that could wo

It takes a lot of confidence to say that Python is a low quality project. I'm not sure if many people could ever say that, but I'm sure the people that could would never.

pdimitar 3y ago
What are you saying, exactly? Python gets plenty of criticism, you might have just made sure you're never going to hear it.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  Having plenty of criticism doesn't mean it is a bad project much less that you are capable of criticizing it from a point of view of calling it crap. If you take yourself as a better thinker than Guido van Rossum then I will need to see the proof.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    My own experiences are quite enough for me (and many others btw, I know I am not the only one) and I am not paid to advocate for / against Python. Since you already made up your mind it would be double folly to engage, and I am happily wiser nowadays about wasting my time preaching to people who don't want to hear it. If you are comfortable with Python I can somewhat envy you -- you likely have a cushy job and not much changes. Enjoy it while it lasts because take my word for it, it's a turbulent world outside of your bubble. But in my eyes people with your mindset are enabled through their privileged position and thus become complacent. It's OK to disagree. I also thought I'll share how I view you (in addition) and will bow out.
    - vdqtp3 3y ago
      There's a difference between "Python has pitfalls, weaknesses, issues" and "Python is low quality"
      - pdimitar 3y ago
        Only when talking in general terms without any examples. I've seen enough flaws in Python to write it off as a toy language carried by nostalgia, university teaching programs, and network effects. It's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination, nowadays you can make a much better, faster, correct and easy to code program in Golang, very likely in the same stretch of time, if not quicker. And its main selling point nowadays, ML/DL? I hear Rust's Polars is catching up. Python should enjoy its place while it lasts because I am seeing a good amount of effort for it to be displaced, from many directions. I am not making anyone believe me though. Most programmers feel easily threatened when their favorite language is criticized and I've come to accept that defect in human thinking. But I won't be pretending to believe in a mass illusion. I moved on, long ago, and I've seen increases in productivity and correctness and [machine + development] speed.

It takes a lot of confidence to say that Python is a low quality project. I'm not sure if many people could ever say that, but I'm sure the people that could would never.

pdimitar 3y ago

What are you saying, exactly? Python gets plenty of criticism, you might have just made sure you're never going to hear it.

meiraleal 3y ago
Having plenty of criticism doesn't mean it is a bad project much less that you are capable of criticizing it from a point of view of calling it crap. If you take yourself as a better thinker than Guido van Rossum then I will need to see the proof.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  My own experiences are quite enough for me (and many others btw, I know I am not the only one) and I am not paid to advocate for / against Python. Since you already made up your mind it would be double folly to engage, and I am happily wiser nowadays about wasting my time preaching to people who don't want to hear it. If you are comfortable with Python I can somewhat envy you -- you likely have a cushy job and not much changes. Enjoy it while it lasts because take my word for it, it's a turbulent world outside of your bubble. But in my eyes people with your mindset are enabled through their privileged position and thus become complacent. It's OK to disagree. I also thought I'll share how I view you (in addition) and will bow out.
  - vdqtp3 3y ago
    There's a difference between "Python has pitfalls, weaknesses, issues" and "Python is low quality"
    - pdimitar 3y ago
      Only when talking in general terms without any examples. I've seen enough flaws in Python to write it off as a toy language carried by nostalgia, university teaching programs, and network effects. It's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination, nowadays you can make a much better, faster, correct and easy to code program in Golang, very likely in the same stretch of time, if not quicker. And its main selling point nowadays, ML/DL? I hear Rust's Polars is catching up. Python should enjoy its place while it lasts because I am seeing a good amount of effort for it to be displaced, from many directions. I am not making anyone believe me though. Most programmers feel easily threatened when their favorite language is criticized and I've come to accept that defect in human thinking. But I won't be pretending to believe in a mass illusion. I moved on, long ago, and I've seen increases in productivity and correctness and [machine + development] speed.