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To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. Ad revenue, direct and/or through profile data collection is easy and effective but the worst businessmodel fo

To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. Ad revenue, direct and/or through profile data collection is easy and effective but the worst businessmodel for human sanity. I like that they at least offer an alternative for the ad viewing part through Youtube premium. I don't know about the US as streaming services seem to have catalogues orders of magnitude more extensive than over here in Europe, but compared to the likes of Prime Video, Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+ and several local offerings, YT Premium is a steal in terms of value proposition. And like most here I fail to understand how anyone can stand YT with ads. You wiil seriously start to dislike the podcasts for speaking in video ads though.

0xedb 3y ago
YouTube Premium isn't available worldwide.
hellotheretoday 3y ago
YouTube premium pricing is ridiculous. $14 a month for android and $19 a month for iOS? Get out of here How much could they possibly make from ads in a given month off a single user. Best case scenario with a user that watches YouTube like 4 hours a day 6 days a week and clicks through once every week. $4? Probably not even that. And yet somehow YouTube premium needs to be almost $230 a year for apple users? I bet they’d make way more with a lower premium tier that just removed ads and had no other premium features for like $20/year. Wouldn’t make as much obviously but I bet they’d do way more volume. I wonder if they have some dipshit mba arguing against something like this because it “makes them seem cheap” or “delegitimizes the platform against more traditional streaming networks” or some nonsense to justify charging Hulu prices for YouTube content
- chx 3y ago
  Especially when you consider you could VPN to Turkey and get it for 1.15 USD a month, if you do it for five people then it's 0.46 USD per Youtube Premium account. https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/14mwf6h/how_to_enjoy_youtube_premium_for_only_115_per/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/14mwf6h/how_to_enjoy_y...
- Tao3300 3y ago
  FWIW we would hate them less too.
- PeterStuer 3y ago
  The family plan is 18€/month for 5 accounts, so about 3.60 pp. I honestly don't know if Premium has any features besides no ads and background play on mobile. There used to be a smidgen of exclusive content, but I think they gave up on that years ago. I do not like Google's business model, nor their politics either. Thing is they do have a defacto monopoly on viable creator VoD. Yes, other services exist, but they are too fragmented to be viable. So, do I perpetuate this situation by giving them sub money? Yes. But pragmatically I'm still not going to have my kids be subjected to ad barrages in the meantime, while rooting for true competition to emerge.
avereveard 3y ago
Well I use to have them on whitelist for all these reason, but a) lately the amount of ads has gotten crazy and b) a large amount of videos are fraudulently copyright striken and revenue stolen from creators https://www.streemtunes.com/post/how-did-pewdiepie-get-a-copyright-strike-for-using-his-own-music https://www.streemtunes.com/post/how-did-pewdiepie-get-a-cop... I think it's egregious how YouTube treats content creators in general and how expect us to foot the content distribution bills in particular, especially since many of the video themselves are ads (they include product placement, or are straight up teasers for products) I think there's a case to be made at least for non indies to pay proportionally to the minute viewed of their content, to decrease the pressure on monetizing indies.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  (b) is totally ridiculous. Anyone who isn't helping bleed YouTube to death is ultimately hurting creators and keeping them locked into an abusive platform.
- avereveard 3y ago
  Also wanted to add to my previous point, ads at the beginning of the video are absolutely obnoxious. Often there are English titled video in non English language showing up on Google, and you have to go trough the ads just to discover the video is not for you, and so off you go searching another video and consuming more ads, without getting anything in return.
ekianjo 3y ago
> To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. I don't care, I still won't watch ads, and if I pay for something, I want to pay for something for that does actively track my watching habits and sell my data, so they are out of luck.
- epgui 3y ago
  I think you’re missing a “not” somewhere in there…
malka 3y ago
> To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow If they were not Google, I'd be ready to pay about 10 euro/m. Since it's Google, they can rot in hell for all I care. I'll happily freeload them as most as I can.
wintermutestwin 3y ago
>To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. I'd gladly pay for Youtube sans ads, but not if google also gets to steal my data.

0xedb 3y ago

YouTube Premium isn't available worldwide.

hellotheretoday 3y ago

YouTube premium pricing is ridiculous. $14 a month for android and $19 a month for iOS? Get out of here How much could they possibly make from ads in a given month off a single user. Best case scenario with a user that watches YouTube like 4 hours a day 6 days a week and clicks through once every week. $4? Probably not even that. And yet somehow YouTube premium needs to be almost $230 a year for apple users? I bet they’d make way more with a lower premium tier that just removed ads and had no other premium features for like $20/year. Wouldn’t make as much obviously but I bet they’d do way more volume. I wonder if they have some dipshit mba arguing against something like this because it “makes them seem cheap” or “delegitimizes the platform against more traditional streaming networks” or some nonsense to justify charging Hulu prices for YouTube content

chx 3y ago
Especially when you consider you could VPN to Turkey and get it for 1.15 USD a month, if you do it for five people then it's 0.46 USD per Youtube Premium account. https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/14mwf6h/how_to_enjoy_youtube_premium_for_only_115_per/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/14mwf6h/how_to_enjoy_y...
Tao3300 3y ago
FWIW we would hate them less too.
PeterStuer 3y ago
The family plan is 18€/month for 5 accounts, so about 3.60 pp. I honestly don't know if Premium has any features besides no ads and background play on mobile. There used to be a smidgen of exclusive content, but I think they gave up on that years ago. I do not like Google's business model, nor their politics either. Thing is they do have a defacto monopoly on viable creator VoD. Yes, other services exist, but they are too fragmented to be viable. So, do I perpetuate this situation by giving them sub money? Yes. But pragmatically I'm still not going to have my kids be subjected to ad barrages in the meantime, while rooting for true competition to emerge.

avereveard 3y ago

Well I use to have them on whitelist for all these reason, but a) lately the amount of ads has gotten crazy and b) a large amount of videos are fraudulently copyright striken and revenue stolen from creators https://www.streemtunes.com/post/how-did-pewdiepie-get-a-copyright-strike-for-using-his-own-music https://www.streemtunes.com/post/how-did-pewdiepie-get-a-cop... I think it's egregious how YouTube treats content creators in general and how expect us to foot the content distribution bills in particular, especially since many of the video themselves are ads (they include product placement, or are straight up teasers for products) I think there's a case to be made at least for non indies to pay proportionally to the minute viewed of their content, to decrease the pressure on monetizing indies.

Tao3300 3y ago
(b) is totally ridiculous. Anyone who isn't helping bleed YouTube to death is ultimately hurting creators and keeping them locked into an abusive platform.
avereveard 3y ago
Also wanted to add to my previous point, ads at the beginning of the video are absolutely obnoxious. Often there are English titled video in non English language showing up on Google, and you have to go trough the ads just to discover the video is not for you, and so off you go searching another video and consuming more ads, without getting anything in return.

ekianjo 3y ago

> To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. I don't care, I still won't watch ads, and if I pay for something, I want to pay for something for that does actively track my watching habits and sell my data, so they are out of luck.

epgui 3y ago
I think you’re missing a “not” somewhere in there…

malka 3y ago

> To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow If they were not Google, I'd be ready to pay about 10 euro/m. Since it's Google, they can rot in hell for all I care. I'll happily freeload them as most as I can.

wintermutestwin 3y ago

>To be fair Youtube has to make a profit somehow. I'd gladly pay for Youtube sans ads, but not if google also gets to steal my data.