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That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step fur

That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do. Maybe you have yourself sufficiently shielded and have excellent OPSEC. Can you reasonably expect the same from everyone else? Does not having the expertise to be as savvy as you justify being exploited?

vivekd 3y ago
Well first if tracking and selling data on non-registered users really is that trivial then the issue isn't Facebook it's every website that could be doing this. Second more importantly privacy seems to be a watchword for tech people. Maybe people claim to care about the sort of privacy you are talking about when asked but their actions speak different. People use Facebook, google maps, leave location data on on their phones. Obviously people don't value privacy as much as they do having access to certain tech. Sad but that's the world, privacy seems to be a thing of the past. We can all opt out by not using these services. To the extent that we don't there must be some extent to which we accept and consent to this tracking. I care because I'm afraid of my government and want to keep myself secure from them. I also realize that's not the average person. My preference for privacy means not using Facebook it doesn't mean I get to control how Facebook does business or how people choose to use it. My view is that ultimately people have to be responsible for the tech that they use and how they use it. We can't just pass along that responsibility to government or business.
- mongol 3y ago
  People do lots of things in lack of better options. Some things are too big or complex for an individual to change themselves, and people choose the less bad option, and live with the unwanted consequences. But through democracy, they can elect politicians that can create laws to give authorities tools to assert leverage. This is what we see in action here.
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  Yeah I really don't care about other people's preferences and actions. I care about the fact that Facebook is stalking me through avenues I don't consent to. I care about privacy. My actions match my preferences. They're creepy stalkers for trying to follow everyone as hard as they try to. I'm not saying government should be involved. I'm saying we should fucking stop inviting adtech workers to Thanksgiving and birthday parties. We should make them outcasts for being creepy fucking stalkers.
mjan22640 3y ago
Mine phone number is mine. A friend who has my number in the contact list is not in the position to give consent to the number. They would need consent from the friend to read their contact list, and then consent from each person on the list, before they can legally use their number.

vivekd 3y ago

Well first if tracking and selling data on non-registered users really is that trivial then the issue isn't Facebook it's every website that could be doing this. Second more importantly privacy seems to be a watchword for tech people. Maybe people claim to care about the sort of privacy you are talking about when asked but their actions speak different. People use Facebook, google maps, leave location data on on their phones. Obviously people don't value privacy as much as they do having access to certain tech. Sad but that's the world, privacy seems to be a thing of the past. We can all opt out by not using these services. To the extent that we don't there must be some extent to which we accept and consent to this tracking. I care because I'm afraid of my government and want to keep myself secure from them. I also realize that's not the average person. My preference for privacy means not using Facebook it doesn't mean I get to control how Facebook does business or how people choose to use it. My view is that ultimately people have to be responsible for the tech that they use and how they use it. We can't just pass along that responsibility to government or business.

mongol 3y ago
People do lots of things in lack of better options. Some things are too big or complex for an individual to change themselves, and people choose the less bad option, and live with the unwanted consequences. But through democracy, they can elect politicians that can create laws to give authorities tools to assert leverage. This is what we see in action here.
jurynulifcation 3y ago
Yeah I really don't care about other people's preferences and actions. I care about the fact that Facebook is stalking me through avenues I don't consent to. I care about privacy. My actions match my preferences. They're creepy stalkers for trying to follow everyone as hard as they try to. I'm not saying government should be involved. I'm saying we should fucking stop inviting adtech workers to Thanksgiving and birthday parties. We should make them outcasts for being creepy fucking stalkers.

mjan22640 3y ago

Mine phone number is mine. A friend who has my number in the contact list is not in the position to give consent to the number. They would need consent from the friend to read their contact list, and then consent from each person on the list, before they can legally use their number.