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I donno, I know I'm in the minority but I agree with the parent. Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers. They're using information

by vivekd 3y ago

I donno, I know I'm in the minority but I agree with the parent. Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers. They're using information people willigly share in their profiles. They're not selling personally identifiable information. They're selling generalized group info on categories people fall into for targeted ads. I don't understand how this is a privacy violation or unethical. Especially given Facebook isn't hiding what it's doing, they're open about what they're doing. I assume the customers are informed and are consenting to this in exchange for free use of Facebook's services. I think it was wrong for Ubuntu to sell user data to Amazon because their users weren't informed. Some people choose Linux for privacy reasons and that trust was violated. No one who values privacy would willingly use Facebook. Facebook doesn't hide what it does, it's a consensual sharing of information. They even have a big button on their site inviting their users to try targeted ads. Everything they do is in the open.

photonbeam 3y ago
> Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers When they start correlating with external payments sources they are
- fallingknife 3y ago
  Seems like this is not a FB issue, but a payments industry issue. Payment data should absolutely be illegal for processors to sell.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    Why not both? If someone is buying a firearm off the black market, the buyer is in the wrong but so is whoever is selling it to them without doing a proper background check.
jurynulifcation 3y ago
lmao no, you're either misinformed or a bad actor. when they start tracking me through services they don't own, when they retain data on me indefinitely and purchase other data sources to do entity resolution, when they refuse to let me see what they have on me and refuse to let me set policies on what I'm comfortable with them having, when they partner with Walmart and CCTV providers to spy on me as I go throughout my business when they literally try to predict my behavior with the data they have on me, when they sell my data without my permission to God knows who... they're filthy degenerate stalkers and anyone who works in the industry ought to be shunned by polite society. we should not suffer stalkers.
- vivekd 3y ago
  I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people can't even do that, I can only assume that they consent. People who want the government to step in to prevent something they could prevent by hitting a log off button...I don't even know what to say about that. Besides even the criticisms don't make sense - eg complaining that they won't say what info they have while at the same time complaining about video tracking. How do you know they have that if you don't know what they have?
  - jurynulifcation 3y ago
    Do you visit websites that have a "share on facebook" button? They're tracking you. Talk to people who have downloaded Facebook or Instagram to their phones? They're tracking you. Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you. They're literally shameless stalkers who suck up as much data as possible through every possible avenue to do entity resolution to track individuals to the degree they possibly can. This is mass, corporatized surveillance, and we shouldn't suffer it.
    - vivekd 3y ago
      >Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you I would agree this is a big deal if it's true but I haven't seen evidence of it being true. The rest of your arguments ignore the human choice aspect. Facebook didn't come pre-installed on my phone, I don't think it came pre-installed on anyone's. At the end of the day using Facebook is a choice. Nobody has to have Facebook. I get by fine without it, without instagram, WhatsApp any of it. These are things people willigly choose to use and give their info to. I think your arguments have weight only if their users are unaware of Facebook selling data to advertisers. You'd have to be living under a rock not to know that in 2023. I mean it's not just a choice it's an informed choice.

by vivekd 3y ago

photonbeam 3y ago

> Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers When they start correlating with external payments sources they are

fallingknife 3y ago
Seems like this is not a FB issue, but a payments industry issue. Payment data should absolutely be illegal for processors to sell.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  Why not both? If someone is buying a firearm off the black market, the buyer is in the wrong but so is whoever is selling it to them without doing a proper background check.

jurynulifcation 3y ago

lmao no, you're either misinformed or a bad actor. when they start tracking me through services they don't own, when they retain data on me indefinitely and purchase other data sources to do entity resolution, when they refuse to let me see what they have on me and refuse to let me set policies on what I'm comfortable with them having, when they partner with Walmart and CCTV providers to spy on me as I go throughout my business when they literally try to predict my behavior with the data they have on me, when they sell my data without my permission to God knows who... they're filthy degenerate stalkers and anyone who works in the industry ought to be shunned by polite society. we should not suffer stalkers.

vivekd 3y ago
I have a hard time believing Facebook is tracking it's customers through CCTV. In any case even if they are I still don't care because they're not tracking me. Know why - it's easy, I just don't use Facebook. People who complain about Facebook collecting their information all the while continuing to use Facebook are not victims - they're just complainers. If stopping it is as simple as logging off forever and people can't even do that, I can only assume that they consent. People who want the government to step in to prevent something they could prevent by hitting a log off button...I don't even know what to say about that. Besides even the criticisms don't make sense - eg complaining that they won't say what info they have while at the same time complaining about video tracking. How do you know they have that if you don't know what they have?
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  Do you visit websites that have a "share on facebook" button? They're tracking you. Talk to people who have downloaded Facebook or Instagram to their phones? They're tracking you. Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you. They're literally shameless stalkers who suck up as much data as possible through every possible avenue to do entity resolution to track individuals to the degree they possibly can. This is mass, corporatized surveillance, and we shouldn't suffer it.
  - vivekd 3y ago
    >Have someone take a picture of you, even incidentally in the background in public, and post it to Facebook? They're tracking you I would agree this is a big deal if it's true but I haven't seen evidence of it being true. The rest of your arguments ignore the human choice aspect. Facebook didn't come pre-installed on my phone, I don't think it came pre-installed on anyone's. At the end of the day using Facebook is a choice. Nobody has to have Facebook. I get by fine without it, without instagram, WhatsApp any of it. These are things people willigly choose to use and give their info to. I think your arguments have weight only if their users are unaware of Facebook selling data to advertisers. You'd have to be living under a rock not to know that in 2023. I mean it's not just a choice it's an informed choice.