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Louis Rossmann given three YouTube community guideline strikes

123 points by user_7832 3y ago

user_7832 3y ago
I saw this on r/android first, it appears Rossman does not have a twitter/x account. Nitter link: https://nitter.net/FUTO_Tech/status/1719468941582442871 https://nitter.net/FUTO_Tech/status/1719468941582442871
owenpalmer 3y ago
Louis is doing God's work, I hope he gets cancelled-famous from this.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
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  - RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
    Also he was like, 100% in the wrong with regards to his issue in NY. But its fine, I don't mind a bit of a used car salesman vibe. I still respect his work on RtR
  - chabad360 3y ago
    I think you're greatly misrepresenting the story. The reason why one would want products that are identical to official ones (from a technical standpoint), is because they will perform better (compared to a traditional knock-off). Looking at the reddit post where the evidence for this story seems to be compiled [0], it would seem that he does exactly that. He purchases batteries from factories that over-manufacture (or were no longer under contract to make) official Apple parts. He asked them before shipping to remove/sharpie over the logo, in order to prevent them from being considered counterfeit. He was angry that Apple was able to have Customs seize products which did not belong to them and were not stolen from them (apparently this technique did not work a few times). I definitely think that he may not have told the whole truth, but greedy sleaze-bag liar is not how he comes out in this story (at least for me). [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossmann_admits_to_using_parts_from_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossman...
    - tedunangst 3y ago
      Seems like he should just ask the seller to send a new batch, and this time be more careful to sharpie over the marks, seeing as its their screwup.
      - tmikaeld 3y ago
        Ha! No, Chinese factories don’t own up to mistakes. They make excuses and lie, even if it is blatantly obvious it is their fault. (Been working with brands manufacturing in China for 20 years)
      - freetime2 3y ago
        Is going over the logo with a sharpie really sufficient to get around counterfeiting restrictions? Serious question as I’m not familiar with the laws. It seems like it may be possible to just remove the sharpie with some solvent and restore the original logo.
    - LightHugger 3y ago
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  - LightHugger 3y ago
    None of that is even vaguely true, haha. What, on hacker news you're going to argue that apple's insane import restrictions are fair? They're real apple parts from the real factory. They are genuine. Thats the whole point. Repeatedly he has said that removing the logos is better for him but that the logos are just on the parts and he requests they be removed from what he buys because duh, they are real parts! Apple not wanting to sell the parts to rossman doesn't make them less real or functional or his business ivnalid, Lol. Apple is pure evil and would rather every spare part for every device be destroyed and the ewaste pile up rather than be sold to repair shops.
    - freetime2 3y ago
      Even if they are physically identical, that does not make them “genuine”. A genuine part will also typically come with a warranty that the seller will honor in case of a defect. And how can you be sure that they are “real apple parts from the real Apple factory”? Because some factory on the other side of the world, who in the best case have proven that they are willing to engage in shady business practices by violating their agreement with Apple, says so? How do you know they aren’t parts that failed some quality control check? Or that they aren’t just outright counterfeit? The thing that makes an Apple part genuine is Apple’s word, their reputation, and willingness to stand behind it.
      - daeros 3y ago
        You know as well as I do those warranties don't last as long as we'd like them to.
      - 3seashells 3y ago
        ? There word is worthless, their reputation is tainted beyond repair and they stand behind anything that makes them money. Listen to yourself, defending a soulless Moloch like a mum and pop store while they trample mum and pop stores. There is a certain spark of ghost hacked insanity to these cooperate fanbois you find nowhere else..
    - gruez 3y ago
      >They're real apple parts from the real factory. They are genuine. Thats the whole point. Repeatedly he has said that removing the logos is better for him but that the logos are just on the parts and he requests they be removed from what he buys because duh, they are real parts! So if I was able to convince the contract manufacturer of LV bags to sell me "real" (but unauthorized) LV bags, I should be able to import them into the US and not have CBP seize them? I don't think trademark law has a "but if it's identical to the real thing" exception.
  - klipklop 3y ago
    This is a gross mean-spirited characterization of the guy. Greedy is a rather interesting term for you to use to disparage him. Is that a dog whistle I hear? I feel Rossmann in general works for the greater good in the area of right to repair. Is he always right? Certainly not. Is he a blowhard? He can be at times. Most activists are.
    - someonehere 3y ago
      You’re using the phrase dog whistle incorrectly.
  - daeros 3y ago
    unpopular counter opinion: copyright infringement is good, actually. I don't care that they had Apple's logos on it, it's based that Louis found a way to violate their copyrights on that, we need more like that not less.
    - wickedsickeune 3y ago
      I also don't like copyright too much, but that's trademark violation. It misleads people into thinking it's an Apple production which is dishonest.
      - daeros 3y ago
        Honestly I find apple's dickery that space a huge problem because they make their repairs prohibitively economically expensive so that it makes more sense to just buy a new phone and I think louis is fighting a very uphill battle against Apple to make their stuff repairable. I would not go to an authorized repair center with them since I watch his stuff I think the authorized repair guys couldn't repair their way out of a paper bag.
    - drcongo 3y ago
      For someone so keen on copyright infringement, you sure have a poor grasp of what copyright is.
  - BenisMaximus 3y ago
    Macrumors user detected
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nickorlow 3y ago
One of the videos they striked him on was an unlisted video with 5 views comparing the speed of Grayjay vs NewPipe.... YouTube is really digging for stuff
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Does he actually say anything in these videos that unambiguously violates the youtube guidelines?
  - nickorlow 3y ago
    The unlisted video has no audio I believe. Just a screen recording of him opening the two apps
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      That's against YouTube's terms of service? No silent videos allowed?! Edit: I think I misunderstood, you're just pointing out that he didn't say anything at all, competitive or otherwise. It got my attention because I have some silent videos that are used to supplement some application notes and would rather they didn't get my account banned.
      - fsckboy 3y ago
        youtube has classic silent films
    - deelowe 3y ago
      How is this against community guidelines?
      - tedunangst 3y ago
        Youtube has for a while been very strict about anything "hacking tools" adjacent.
ebiester 3y ago
He is still up and has a video an hour ago.
- nickorlow 3y ago
  He was unable to upload videos due to the strikes. Google allows you to expire strikes if you take a short online training on the community guidelines. He recently completed that and was able to start uploading again.
Racing0461 3y ago
We need more alt-tech companies competing against youtube and the like. They have too much power to silence people.
- philipov 3y ago
  Nebula is trying to compete, they seem like a good alternative to support.
  - Kye 3y ago
    Nebula isn't really a competitor. It's more of a life raft for a select few YouTubers. A competitor would let people outside a group of already successful channels upload stuff.
    - lmm 3y ago
      A competitor has got to be a sustainable business first. Opening the floodgates to host everyone's videos can be a very quick way to burn all your money.
      - kelnos 3y ago
        Not to mention their moderation burden is way down if they only accept people who are known quantities and are unlikely to get them in trouble by posting copyrighted material or other problematic things.
      - Kye 3y ago
        To be clear: I think it's fine to be exclusive. A bunch of YouTubers got together to make a backup in case YouTube did what YouTube often does. If they ever open it, I'll call it a competitor. Right now, it just isn't unless you have some unconventional definition of competitor. They're trying to survive YouTube, not beat it or even operate in the same space. Nebula is currently a backup for a (large) niche of YouTube.
        3y ago
utopcell 3y ago
I don't get it: what did he get 3 strikes for ? Which guidelines did he violate ?
- Randomizer42 3y ago
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- tmikaeld 3y ago
  Promoting a YouTube alternative on YouTube
  - ghakk 3y ago
    Not really an alternative per say, it's more or less an app that will let you subscribe to people instead of youtube. So it makes it very easy for you to get a feed from your favourite channels even if the youtube algorithm changes, or Youtube have decided that you've made a boo boo and should no longer be visible or promoted as much. But, it also incorporate many platforms such as Odysee, Rumble, Patreon Twitch, Kick etc. And the creator can verify them selves and could upload the same videos to different platforms and only one would show up in your feed for exaample. So it is a very neat little app. Rossman is part of Futo, but he's not a developer and doesn't develop anything for the app himself. you should really check it out, it's nifty.
    - tmikaeld 3y ago
      Sure, it's even worse (To Google) than a Youtube alternative, it gathers all Youtube's competitors in one place.
      - ghakk 3y ago
        Yep, He should probably bought Google ads instead to promote now when ad-blockers gets blocked.. :)
lagniappe 3y ago
It looks like he may have a Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/rossmanngroup https://rumble.com/c/rossmanngroup
- JohnTHaller 3y ago
  The far-right-wing cesspool? The top video there on the homepage right now (a massive full width half-height promo) is Laura Loomer waxing poetic about George Soros stealing the 2024 election.
  - alienicecream 3y ago
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    - xeckr 3y ago
      It's Halloween after all.
  - kyleisthistall 3y ago
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- RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
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geuis 3y ago
Umm his channel is alive and well. He just published a video a few hours ago. https://m.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos https://m.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos
- owenpalmer 3y ago
  they only banned the videos that talk about Grayjay
djaouen 3y ago
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nickorlow 3y ago
Almost all other videos about Grayjay have been removed from YouTube too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J990zSpg6JI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J990zSpg6JI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijdzxIHMEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijdzxIHMEI
kornhole 3y ago
This is part of his plan to demonstrate the usefulness and need of Grayjay which gives creators a nomadic identity that allows people to easily follow someone on another platform once cancelled from another.
daeros 3y ago
Welp Streisand effect, i'm now working to install grayjay on my laptop and its already up on my phone. maybe i'll make video on Odyssey about it and then say something on youtube linking to said video.
jeo123 3y ago
Guys. Since YT doing that...why not just pay his GrayJay app and actively promote it. YT clearly wants a Streissand effect. We cannot let down YT expectation!

123 points by user_7832 3y ago

I saw this on r/android first, it appears Rossman does not have a twitter/x account. Nitter link: https://nitter.net/FUTO_Tech/status/1719468941582442871 https://nitter.net/FUTO_Tech/status/1719468941582442871

owenpalmer 3y ago

Louis is doing God's work, I hope he gets cancelled-famous from this.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
[flagged]
- RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
  Also he was like, 100% in the wrong with regards to his issue in NY. But its fine, I don't mind a bit of a used car salesman vibe. I still respect his work on RtR
- chabad360 3y ago
  I think you're greatly misrepresenting the story. The reason why one would want products that are identical to official ones (from a technical standpoint), is because they will perform better (compared to a traditional knock-off). Looking at the reddit post where the evidence for this story seems to be compiled [0], it would seem that he does exactly that. He purchases batteries from factories that over-manufacture (or were no longer under contract to make) official Apple parts. He asked them before shipping to remove/sharpie over the logo, in order to prevent them from being considered counterfeit. He was angry that Apple was able to have Customs seize products which did not belong to them and were not stolen from them (apparently this technique did not work a few times). I definitely think that he may not have told the whole truth, but greedy sleaze-bag liar is not how he comes out in this story (at least for me). [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossmann_admits_to_using_parts_from_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossman...
  - tedunangst 3y ago
    Seems like he should just ask the seller to send a new batch, and this time be more careful to sharpie over the marks, seeing as its their screwup.
    - tmikaeld 3y ago
      Ha! No, Chinese factories don’t own up to mistakes. They make excuses and lie, even if it is blatantly obvious it is their fault. (Been working with brands manufacturing in China for 20 years)
    - freetime2 3y ago
      Is going over the logo with a sharpie really sufficient to get around counterfeiting restrictions? Serious question as I’m not familiar with the laws. It seems like it may be possible to just remove the sharpie with some solvent and restore the original logo.
  - LightHugger 3y ago
    [flagged]
- LightHugger 3y ago
  None of that is even vaguely true, haha. What, on hacker news you're going to argue that apple's insane import restrictions are fair? They're real apple parts from the real factory. They are genuine. Thats the whole point. Repeatedly he has said that removing the logos is better for him but that the logos are just on the parts and he requests they be removed from what he buys because duh, they are real parts! Apple not wanting to sell the parts to rossman doesn't make them less real or functional or his business ivnalid, Lol. Apple is pure evil and would rather every spare part for every device be destroyed and the ewaste pile up rather than be sold to repair shops.
  - freetime2 3y ago
    Even if they are physically identical, that does not make them “genuine”. A genuine part will also typically come with a warranty that the seller will honor in case of a defect. And how can you be sure that they are “real apple parts from the real Apple factory”? Because some factory on the other side of the world, who in the best case have proven that they are willing to engage in shady business practices by violating their agreement with Apple, says so? How do you know they aren’t parts that failed some quality control check? Or that they aren’t just outright counterfeit? The thing that makes an Apple part genuine is Apple’s word, their reputation, and willingness to stand behind it.
    - daeros 3y ago
      You know as well as I do those warranties don't last as long as we'd like them to.
    - 3seashells 3y ago
      ? There word is worthless, their reputation is tainted beyond repair and they stand behind anything that makes them money. Listen to yourself, defending a soulless Moloch like a mum and pop store while they trample mum and pop stores. There is a certain spark of ghost hacked insanity to these cooperate fanbois you find nowhere else..
  - gruez 3y ago
    >They're real apple parts from the real factory. They are genuine. Thats the whole point. Repeatedly he has said that removing the logos is better for him but that the logos are just on the parts and he requests they be removed from what he buys because duh, they are real parts! So if I was able to convince the contract manufacturer of LV bags to sell me "real" (but unauthorized) LV bags, I should be able to import them into the US and not have CBP seize them? I don't think trademark law has a "but if it's identical to the real thing" exception.
- klipklop 3y ago
  This is a gross mean-spirited characterization of the guy. Greedy is a rather interesting term for you to use to disparage him. Is that a dog whistle I hear? I feel Rossmann in general works for the greater good in the area of right to repair. Is he always right? Certainly not. Is he a blowhard? He can be at times. Most activists are.
  - someonehere 3y ago
    You’re using the phrase dog whistle incorrectly.
- daeros 3y ago
  unpopular counter opinion: copyright infringement is good, actually. I don't care that they had Apple's logos on it, it's based that Louis found a way to violate their copyrights on that, we need more like that not less.
  - wickedsickeune 3y ago
    I also don't like copyright too much, but that's trademark violation. It misleads people into thinking it's an Apple production which is dishonest.
    - daeros 3y ago
      Honestly I find apple's dickery that space a huge problem because they make their repairs prohibitively economically expensive so that it makes more sense to just buy a new phone and I think louis is fighting a very uphill battle against Apple to make their stuff repairable. I would not go to an authorized repair center with them since I watch his stuff I think the authorized repair guys couldn't repair their way out of a paper bag.
  - drcongo 3y ago
    For someone so keen on copyright infringement, you sure have a poor grasp of what copyright is.
- BenisMaximus 3y ago
  Macrumors user detected

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nickorlow 3y ago

One of the videos they striked him on was an unlisted video with 5 views comparing the speed of Grayjay vs NewPipe.... YouTube is really digging for stuff

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Does he actually say anything in these videos that unambiguously violates the youtube guidelines?
- nickorlow 3y ago
  The unlisted video has no audio I believe. Just a screen recording of him opening the two apps
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    That's against YouTube's terms of service? No silent videos allowed?! Edit: I think I misunderstood, you're just pointing out that he didn't say anything at all, competitive or otherwise. It got my attention because I have some silent videos that are used to supplement some application notes and would rather they didn't get my account banned.
    - fsckboy 3y ago
      youtube has classic silent films
  - deelowe 3y ago
    How is this against community guidelines?
    - tedunangst 3y ago
      Youtube has for a while been very strict about anything "hacking tools" adjacent.

ebiester 3y ago

He is still up and has a video an hour ago.

nickorlow 3y ago
He was unable to upload videos due to the strikes. Google allows you to expire strikes if you take a short online training on the community guidelines. He recently completed that and was able to start uploading again.

Racing0461 3y ago

We need more alt-tech companies competing against youtube and the like. They have too much power to silence people.

philipov 3y ago
Nebula is trying to compete, they seem like a good alternative to support.
- Kye 3y ago
  Nebula isn't really a competitor. It's more of a life raft for a select few YouTubers. A competitor would let people outside a group of already successful channels upload stuff.
  - lmm 3y ago
    A competitor has got to be a sustainable business first. Opening the floodgates to host everyone's videos can be a very quick way to burn all your money.
    - kelnos 3y ago
      Not to mention their moderation burden is way down if they only accept people who are known quantities and are unlikely to get them in trouble by posting copyrighted material or other problematic things.
    - Kye 3y ago
      To be clear: I think it's fine to be exclusive. A bunch of YouTubers got together to make a backup in case YouTube did what YouTube often does. If they ever open it, I'll call it a competitor. Right now, it just isn't unless you have some unconventional definition of competitor. They're trying to survive YouTube, not beat it or even operate in the same space. Nebula is currently a backup for a (large) niche of YouTube.
      - 3y ago

utopcell 3y ago

I don't get it: what did he get 3 strikes for ? Which guidelines did he violate ?

Randomizer42 3y ago
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tmikaeld 3y ago
Promoting a YouTube alternative on YouTube
- ghakk 3y ago
  Not really an alternative per say, it's more or less an app that will let you subscribe to people instead of youtube. So it makes it very easy for you to get a feed from your favourite channels even if the youtube algorithm changes, or Youtube have decided that you've made a boo boo and should no longer be visible or promoted as much. But, it also incorporate many platforms such as Odysee, Rumble, Patreon Twitch, Kick etc. And the creator can verify them selves and could upload the same videos to different platforms and only one would show up in your feed for exaample. So it is a very neat little app. Rossman is part of Futo, but he's not a developer and doesn't develop anything for the app himself. you should really check it out, it's nifty.
  - tmikaeld 3y ago
    Sure, it's even worse (To Google) than a Youtube alternative, it gathers all Youtube's competitors in one place.
    - ghakk 3y ago
      Yep, He should probably bought Google ads instead to promote now when ad-blockers gets blocked.. :)

lagniappe 3y ago

It looks like he may have a Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/rossmanngroup https://rumble.com/c/rossmanngroup

JohnTHaller 3y ago
The far-right-wing cesspool? The top video there on the homepage right now (a massive full width half-height promo) is Laura Loomer waxing poetic about George Soros stealing the 2024 election.
- alienicecream 3y ago
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  - xeckr 3y ago
    It's Halloween after all.
- kyleisthistall 3y ago
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RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
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geuis 3y ago

Umm his channel is alive and well. He just published a video a few hours ago. https://m.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos https://m.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos

owenpalmer 3y ago
they only banned the videos that talk about Grayjay

djaouen 3y ago

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nickorlow 3y ago

Almost all other videos about Grayjay have been removed from YouTube too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J990zSpg6JI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J990zSpg6JI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijdzxIHMEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijdzxIHMEI

kornhole 3y ago

This is part of his plan to demonstrate the usefulness and need of Grayjay which gives creators a nomadic identity that allows people to easily follow someone on another platform once cancelled from another.

daeros 3y ago

Welp Streisand effect, i'm now working to install grayjay on my laptop and its already up on my phone. maybe i'll make video on Odyssey about it and then say something on youtube linking to said video.

jeo123 3y ago

Guys. Since YT doing that...why not just pay his GrayJay app and actively promote it. YT clearly wants a Streissand effect. We cannot let down YT expectation!