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If you want an example of current events as it applies to the danger of religion take a simple look at the Israel/Hamas war. 1) Hamas jihadists cultivate decad
by r00fus 3y ago
If you want an example of current events as it applies to the danger of religion take a simple look at the Israel/Hamas war.
1) Hamas jihadists cultivate decades of repression of the Palestinian populace into a spectacular terrorist strike on Oct 7th.
2) Israel, an apartheid ethnostate, where Rabbis call for extermination of Palestinians in response to the Hamas strike (after decades of dehumanization), drops a nuclear payload worth of bombs on Gaza - which kills thousands of Palestinians (but only a few dozen Hamas soldiers).
3) In the US, Christianist pastors and churches back the Israeli government's push to ethnically cleanse Gaza - primarily because apocalyptic prophesy requires Jews to be in the "holy land" - all of whom are prophesied to perish.
In all of these cases, all of the involved religions make the conflict unavoidable. There were steps to peace in previous decades but religious extremists assassinated key figures to prevent peace.
This isn't exclusive to this region or these religions, of course.
- vorpalhex 3y agoThat'd be a great counter example if any of it were factually true. Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinians and it's planks include the extermination of the Jews wholesale, whether in Israel or elsewhere. Part of why Israel was created is because.. a large group of Muslims was attempting to enact an extermination of the Jews (and did kill quite a few). Israel is not an apartheid ethnostate in any sense of those words and you do dishonor to actual apartheid and ethnic conflicts even by a comparison. Gaza itself has a luxury car dealership[1]! Not only do non-Jews have equal rights in Israel but it's one of the few countries in the middle east where Arab women have a legal right to vote and free travel without an escort. I have no idea where you got three from but it's not actually in the Christian Bible or the Torah. [1]: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/mena/libyan-luxury-cars-turn-up-in-gaza-showrooms-1.411242 https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/mena/libyan-luxury-car...
- Larrikin 3y agoDid they not have luxury cars in apartheid South Africa? Does having a dealership make the whole shit show in both countries okay?
- xyzelement 3y agoPresumably in SA the luxury cars were for the whites and not for the blacks, so they would actually be relevant to the apartheid conversation. The fact that Gaza has them goes counter to the open air prison conversation.
- crooked-v 3y ago> Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinians Hamas won under 50% of one election in 2006, then murdered the opposing party and halted all future elections.
- foolswisdom 3y agoYour presentation makes it sound as if rabbinic approval / directives / whatever somehow pushed the response to hamas. Following the English and Hebrew news I see none of that. You're probably conflating the general fact that the nationalist and religious factions overlap (though there are a great many religious groups in Israel that are not nationalist at all - pretty much all the ultra orthodox), and said nationalists have made extreme statements in the past. But the response to hamas has little to do with that. (this is my most relevant response to the point you're making, so I'll hold off on the otber incorrect assumptions/statements).
- seti0Cha 3y agoIt's not even exclusive to religions. Ethnic tension with and without religious difference. In fact, religious conflicts are not infrequently dressed up ethnic conflicts. People are tribal, and religious affiliation is just one means for defining tribes.