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"GTA 3 is no longer available on the steam store"

colechristensen 3y ago
It wasn’t for a while, they released a “definitive edition” which is available. They took the old versions down somewhat prematurely before releasing the remasters. A small number of people got some attention being disproportionally upset about this.
- powersurge360 3y ago
  This minimizes things a bit. The definitive editions got torn apart for being ugly and poorly developed. It was a better experience to use the originals and mod them in many cases. This original version is still not available and people are still upset about it. Looks like the DE version of GTAIII currently has a 6 out of 10 on steam so it probably hasn’t been improved since release.
  - vasdae 3y ago
    I have played the DE version of GTA 3 (in fact I just finished) and it wasn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be. In fact I would say it's a better experience than the originals for those who haven't played them. Of all the bugs I've experienced, almost all of them were in the original release, which I played extensively. It's best to ignore youtubers and generally disagreeable nerds from reddit and all those places. They feed on hate.
    - user_7832 3y ago
      > I have played the DE version of GTA 3 (in fact I just finished) and it wasn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be. In fact I would say it's a better experience than the originals for those who haven't played them. Of all the bugs I've experienced, almost all of them were in the original release, which I played extensively. It's best to ignore youtubers and generally disagreeable nerds from reddit and all those places. They feed on hate. While I don't disagree with your experience at all of it being better than the originals, that is unfortunately just part of the issue here. The background is that Take Two has been very litigious, and a number of high-quality mods are no longer relevant due to their actions. I may be misremembering the details but iirc there was a very high quality GTA4 graphics mod that essentially gave the game "modern" graphics that too was forced to stop due to legal issues(to say nothing of the GTA3/VC etc mods). GTA 5 loading times were very high until a single guy fixed their shitty code with a mod. Take Two isn't just poorly managed or have poor code quality (which they do), they are also hostile to users wanting to modify their game. A good bit of the criticism here isn't specific to the game itself (which for eg may be fine once it loads) but rather their behaviour.
      - dingnuts 3y ago
        considering all of the moral hand-wringing over the content of the GTA games there's some sort of deep irony over the fact that the developer is apparently not super ethical. or maybe it's not irony, but the opposite of irony. maybe it's totally predictable and shouldn't take anyone by surprise at all.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    I know they took out this reference, probably because they didn't know what it was for: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/comment/cyethcv/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/comment/cyet...
- giancarlostoro 3y ago
  To be fair, even though I disagree with Rockstar on removing them from the store, you can still play the originals if you already owned them on Steam. Unlike the recent scandal with Assassins Creed where they removed it from your Steam library.
  - thebigspacefuck 3y ago
    I still have them in my library. I haven’t tried playing it recently but Vice City and San Andreas both play fine on my steam deck as the PC version and as emulated PS2 games. If the PC versions work with proton today then should they be able to run as long as proton is still supported?
  - hiatus 3y ago
    > Unlike the recent scandal with Assassins Creed where they removed it from your Steam library. Do you have a link with more information? Steam removed games that people legitimately purchased from their personal libraries?
    - giancarlostoro 3y ago
      Heres a HN thread on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32049508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32049508
    - Belopolye 3y ago
      > Steam removed games that people legitimately purchased from their personal libraries? The sad reality is that you purchased a license under terms that allow them to do whatever they want- it’s not really your personal library. Unless a government were to pass a law and fine them about it nothing will happen- it’s what you agreed to when you use services like Steam.
      - BlueTemplar 3y ago
        Another reason to keep backups.
  - 3y ago

It wasn’t for a while, they released a “definitive edition” which is available. They took the old versions down somewhat prematurely before releasing the remasters. A small number of people got some attention being disproportionally upset about this.

powersurge360 3y ago
This minimizes things a bit. The definitive editions got torn apart for being ugly and poorly developed. It was a better experience to use the originals and mod them in many cases. This original version is still not available and people are still upset about it. Looks like the DE version of GTAIII currently has a 6 out of 10 on steam so it probably hasn’t been improved since release.
- vasdae 3y ago
  I have played the DE version of GTA 3 (in fact I just finished) and it wasn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be. In fact I would say it's a better experience than the originals for those who haven't played them. Of all the bugs I've experienced, almost all of them were in the original release, which I played extensively. It's best to ignore youtubers and generally disagreeable nerds from reddit and all those places. They feed on hate.
  - user_7832 3y ago
    > I have played the DE version of GTA 3 (in fact I just finished) and it wasn't nearly as bad as they make it out to be. In fact I would say it's a better experience than the originals for those who haven't played them. Of all the bugs I've experienced, almost all of them were in the original release, which I played extensively. It's best to ignore youtubers and generally disagreeable nerds from reddit and all those places. They feed on hate. While I don't disagree with your experience at all of it being better than the originals, that is unfortunately just part of the issue here. The background is that Take Two has been very litigious, and a number of high-quality mods are no longer relevant due to their actions. I may be misremembering the details but iirc there was a very high quality GTA4 graphics mod that essentially gave the game "modern" graphics that too was forced to stop due to legal issues(to say nothing of the GTA3/VC etc mods). GTA 5 loading times were very high until a single guy fixed their shitty code with a mod. Take Two isn't just poorly managed or have poor code quality (which they do), they are also hostile to users wanting to modify their game. A good bit of the criticism here isn't specific to the game itself (which for eg may be fine once it loads) but rather their behaviour.
    - dingnuts 3y ago
      considering all of the moral hand-wringing over the content of the GTA games there's some sort of deep irony over the fact that the developer is apparently not super ethical. or maybe it's not irony, but the opposite of irony. maybe it's totally predictable and shouldn't take anyone by surprise at all.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  I know they took out this reference, probably because they didn't know what it was for: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/comment/cyethcv/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/comment/cyet...
giancarlostoro 3y ago
To be fair, even though I disagree with Rockstar on removing them from the store, you can still play the originals if you already owned them on Steam. Unlike the recent scandal with Assassins Creed where they removed it from your Steam library.
- thebigspacefuck 3y ago
  I still have them in my library. I haven’t tried playing it recently but Vice City and San Andreas both play fine on my steam deck as the PC version and as emulated PS2 games. If the PC versions work with proton today then should they be able to run as long as proton is still supported?
- hiatus 3y ago
  > Unlike the recent scandal with Assassins Creed where they removed it from your Steam library. Do you have a link with more information? Steam removed games that people legitimately purchased from their personal libraries?
  - giancarlostoro 3y ago
    Heres a HN thread on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32049508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32049508
  - Belopolye 3y ago
    > Steam removed games that people legitimately purchased from their personal libraries? The sad reality is that you purchased a license under terms that allow them to do whatever they want- it’s not really your personal library. Unless a government were to pass a law and fine them about it nothing will happen- it’s what you agreed to when you use services like Steam.
    - BlueTemplar 3y ago
      Another reason to keep backups.
- 3y ago