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> ad hominem attacks: is that all you've got? No, there was also the other 95% of my post. > Where do you see anything about "twitter must promote my views"?
by hotnfresh 3y ago
> ad hominem attacks: is that all you've got?
No, there was also the other 95% of my post.
> Where do you see anything about "twitter must promote my views"? Where do you see anything about NYT, or anyone, being prohibited from publishing its own reaction?
NYT was an example, to illustrate the role of internet media companies in terms of Old Media. I don't literally mean the NYT is one of this group's specific targets. Sorry that wasn't clear.
As for the rest, it's in the linked declaration that this thread's about. Aside from worrying about government censorship programs (sure, that'd be bad, OK) it's really the only other thing in it, in fact. The signatories don't want Twitter (and more than just Twitter, since we had the confusion above—that's an example, to be clear) to express their opinion that certain posts are nonsense, or to remove tweets Twitter doesn't want to publish. That's censorship and compelled speech. FWIW I think certain core things about how social media companies operate ought to be illegal (all the spying) or ought to shift more legal liability onto them (they are publishers, whatever they claim), such that they'd probably all have to shutter, so it's not that I love social media companies—but these folks want to compel speech and censor, it's literally what they're asking for. Meanwhile, if they don't want to force someone to promote and publish their speech for them, they have plenty of outlets for that [EDIT Like their own website—and oh, look, that's exactly where they've published this!]—yet here we are, so I guess they do want that.
> When I search for "Twitter" I find a reference to the Twitter files, which demonstrated that governmental units communicated directly with social networks to get them to censor certain viewpoints. Shortly SCOTUS will probably rule on that, which should settle the matter of whether that's even legal (prediction: it's not).
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> As for "a bunch of nonsense" -- that's what free speech is: the right to spew a bunch of nonsense.
Fine?
> And as for socials being "forced" -- it's sufficient if they follow the same rules named for the licensing of standards-essential patents:
> FRAND: fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory
I entirely don't see what that has to do with this. [EDIT] Actually, let me amend that: let's say we apply this rule to social media for some reason, then where's the room for their simply not wanting to publish, promote, or frame your post as you'd prefer, for any reason they choose? This is the exact thing I'm writing about! You wondered where I'm getting this from, look at your own post!
- AlbertCory 3y agoOK, you want them to be legally publishers, and thus: 1) they can do whatever they want, for any reason, and 2) they're liable for it Right? Like any newspaper? Fine. I'm good with that. Also good with them being "common carriers" but they don't seem to want that, and as I wade through the ton of verbiage you've produced today, you don't seem to either. As for FRAND: it's an aspiration, not a claim that it already applies. But as for the rest of that paragraph, if they accepted FRAND they wouldn't be a publisher; they'd be a regulated provider of a service. > You wondered where I'm getting this from, look at your own post! You're a walking illustration of the adage, "don't engage with kooks; it only encourages them." So I'm not wasting any more time here.